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[–] Artofchoke [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Nobody made us type that. We typed that cause we got opinions, and those opinions are generated by and informed by a bazillion different things, including many factors outside our awareness and control. Like iq, like genetic predispositions, hereditary predispositions. There's too many influences to pretend we have full control over it, there's just no way.

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[–] Asinthe ago 

We dont have a choice of who our parents are, where are we born and what experience good or bad we will have togo through. Its a laughable idea to equate the choice of having tea/coffee on the morning with the concept of free will.

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[–] Artofchoke [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Maybe, but I probably won't. You probably won't either. ♡

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[–] Laurentius_the_pyro ago  (edited ago)

I'm not actually fully on board with the determinism thing but it seems you aren't really addressing the reasoning being determinism, you've insisted on countering "nobody make choices" with "You make choices" but what if there was a third option? that you make choices but those those choices weren't really choices?

Let me explain. Let's say we have a computer or Artificial intelligence and this computer analyzes data and determines the most "correct" outcome based on said data, what this data and outcomes are is irrelevant, it could be sorting apples or managing Stocks. When given identical data it will always pick the same outcome. Now the question is 'is this computer it really 'choosing' or is it just following it's programming?" If it is just following it's programming then what makes us so different? Sure unlike the computer we may let things that aren't pure logic play into the calculation but be still act according to these calculations.

If a million million identical clones of you were put into the exact same situation, with all the exact same information would they actually pick different options, or would they pick the same exact option, a million million times, because it was the one that everything they knew told them was "correct"? Each individual from their own perspective would see themselves as making a choice, but if there is only one real option is it really a choice at all?