[–] trucking_foal 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Being faith free can be very cathartic and empowering. Treating others with respect and living a moral life becomes a premeditated conscious act, and not driven by guilt, fear or an urge to please a master.

[–] BoraxTheFungarian 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Care to explain why you'd be motivated to live morally and what you base those morals on? Good luck basing it on other people.

My guess is you came from Catholicism where they constantly come up with ways of defending a sin nature. Repentance is not just asking forgiveness, it is also changing your ways.

[–] trucking_foal 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Morality is inborn. We learn at an early age that hurting someone else is not pleasant, and that we wouldn't want someone to hurt us. (mental illness aside). The idea that religion is necessary for morality is ludicrous. Do you honestly think that you would be amoral, were it not for a belief in a higher power?

Religion is/was always a form of government. A means to control (usually tribal) people in thought and action. This is why it is often cleverly beset with morally irrelevant rules and "sins" meant to protect the establishment. Religions originating from the middle east (moses) borrowed heavily on hammurabi's laws; however, they didn't provide control over thought. The introduction of an omniscient deity was necessary to govern the mind.

Man created god, and leaders aligned themselves with that god. It was the only way to ensure that the populace wasn't "thinking" in a way that was not in allegiance to the leaders. (To displease god, was in essence, to displease your ruler).

[–] roznak 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Reason and arguments are for religious people. I as an atheist doe not need a reason to be atheist, I just am.

[–] FelonyVoaterFraud 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What is your "reason" for creation?

[–] roznak 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Why should I care about a reason? I am an atheist, creation is irrelevant.

[–] Goat_Cheese_Cake 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Reasons why I'm an atheist:

  1. God is ill-defined.
  2. There is no reason to believe in a god.
  3. Theists have not provided adequate evidence for the existence of god.

If anyone defines god, and gives me a reason to believe in him, and provides me with adequate evidence that that god truly exists, I would gladly call myself a theist.

[–] FelonyVoaterFraud 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

  1. God is the creator of the Universe. You cannot have creation without a creator. It is not possible by any stretch of the imagination.
  2. See #1.
  3. It is not up to theists to prove God. It is to your detriment if you do not believe, not theirs. To think that the burden of proof is on them is ridiculous; you are the one who stands to lose.

[–] Goat_Cheese_Cake 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Oh boy...

  1. "God is the creator of the Universe. You cannot have creation without a creator. It is not possible by any stretch of the imagination."

Now that is a very vague description of god. I'm pretty sure that god is not the god you worship but I will accept the definition.

  1. See #1.

God is the creator of the universe. The universe already exists, regardless if I believe in him or not. Therefor, I do not have a reason to believe in him.

  1. "It is not up to theists to prove God. It is to your detriment if you do not believe, not theirs. To think that the burden of proof is on them is ridiculous; you are the one who stands to lose."

My friend, we are in a disagreement here. If I made the claim that "reindeer can fly", and you disagreed, Is it fair to have you gather up all the reindeer in the world, and keep constant watch over them to prove me wrong? If I made the claim than I should provide the evidence.

You are a christian, on v/atheism, telling people about the god you believe in. I'm not posting, "There is no god," on any theistic subverses.

[–] Scruffy_Nerfherder 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Athiests have unresolved daddy issues.

[–] carbanara 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Deist here. If anyone is looking for open conversation about God let me know.

I spent the time to read these. They are all based on very old understandings of deity.

The concept of religion is supposed to be ever expanding, not stagnant. Refreshing and enabling, not negativistic, always postive. God is not a vengeful God, but is all loving. Many of religious laws are based on social and cultural representations.

8 and 9

God is absolute Goodness, he gave us free will. Evil does not come from God. God has a Divine plan, which is absolutely good.

Good is actively working to progress the divine plan. Sin is deliberately not. Evil is the misadaption of the divine plan; which causes disharmony and confusion. Iniquity is the willful, determined, and persistent transgression of the divine law.

9) No god of any religion is compatible with the ontological argument for god

God is the greatest conceivable being.

I can conceive of a greater being than Yahweh.

Therefore, Yahweh is not God.

Right, Yahweh was a volcano. God is currently 6000 years advanced from his. I haven't found any conflict with Science Fact.

10) Euthyphro's trilemma

Morality is not necessarilly spirtual; it can be completely human fabrication. It is however, an essential groundwork for personal God-Consciousness.

[–] FelonyVoaterFraud 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Deism is Luciferian.

You state in your argument that God is absolute Goodness. I will agree with this. You agree with sin being not of God. So, without a Savior how does one reconcile their sin? If God is perfection and all righteous, how can a sinner be in His presence? This is a self-damning viewpoint that you possess.

[–] carbanara 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Alright I’ll be specific. The Heavenly Father.

We cannot approach God. He is beyond our grasp. We go through our universe sovereign, which is Gods son. You can reconcile by genuinely committing to turn away from your iniquities.

Before Jesus became sovereign of this universe souls could not ascend, apart from a long interval period. The purpose of Jesus coming to earth as a human was to release us from bondage on earth after death. This happened at transfiguration.

Sinners always have the knowledge of their sins. They have the choice and opt to continue. It’s not self damning if you understand what is harmful to your mortal soul.

[–] goatboy 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

There's only 1 reason, because you're a degenerate piece of shit. Everything else is just justification for your degeneracy.

[–] DoomMantia 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Triggered much, christard?

[–] goatboy 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

No. Confirmation biased much degenetard?

[–] BoraxTheFungarian 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Stupid games win stupid prizes! Lol. Look at that pathetic sad goat they chose for a banner.

[–] BoraxTheFungarian 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

You treat atheism like a religion. Nice hypocrisy you got goin!

[–] FelonyVoaterFraud 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Funny how it plays out, every time? So smug and arrogant they are. God is not amused.....