So I've got two nice old ladies knocking on my door trying to push god and their church on me. NORMALLY I would be like yeah fuck off, HOWEVER, with the recent rise of pussy hat wearing SJW psychos, all of a sudden I have a new found respect for the Christian / Catholic church and their values. Say what you will about them but most of them seem pretty fucking normal compared to some of the crazy that's out there now.
So I guess my question is what would they want from me? Why do churches actively seek out followers? I'm guessing they're going to want money and donations - which I don't really want to give. Also they probably would want me to go to church and listen to boring ass sermons every Sunday, which I'm also not really into. Other church stuff like getting in touch with the community and some other church programs I might actually like though.
Here's one kick to the nuts on my atheism though, every time I've been really REALLY down and out, I've asked and prayed for help and after awhile it seems to have always helped. You could reason it or make sense of it logically pretty easy but I feel like its helped me and made me more open to the idea of trying out a church. I don't give a fuck what you think about that part though.
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[–] ShitArchon ago (edited ago)
Ex-Christian here. Don't fucking do it if you can't handle massive cognitive dissonance and being told X, Y and Z is forbidden--unless you plan on not "doing it for reals" and just acting during Sunday while exploiting social connections (the latter strategy might work). They don't tell you that part up front, they just tell you the "Jesus suffered and died and rose again and he loves you" part. They will not be happy with you living secularly outside of Sunday services, and they will not be happy with you being an atheist who comes to church because you share their stance on Cultural Marxism. Not being holy outside of Sunday and not truly believing are very commonly lambasted by pastors, lessons, etc.
If you want to go, involve yourself with things that involve doing service and not sitting and being told what to think. You'll get a lot more out of it, and you'll get a lot less navel-gazing and self-doubt.
You're an idiot, OP. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. There's an alternative to SJW censorship and theocratic censorship. Otherwise, Wendy McElroy's XXX: A Woman's Right and Laird Wilcox's The Watchdogs wouldn't exist.
But you don't even have to "join civil libertarianism" to oppose both things. You don't have to buy an ideology wholesale and slap a label on yourself just because people want you to. You an agree with the old Christian ladies on "Cultural Marxism and rapefugees are bad" and agree with the feminists on "birth control should be legal." Take Trump and the Republican Party, for example. You think I like theocracy, the scams run by the DeVos family and "conversion therapy" prison camps in Utah just because I'm a race realist who likes guns?
Is there any evidence of this outside of psychological effects? For example, in medicine, an accurate study must compare a medicine to a placebo, not just a medicine to "not taking medicine." Why would an all-good, all-powerful being help you instead of helping starving, brutally oppressed North Koreans (some of whom are underground Christians in concentration camps)? What kind of good being would say "fuck those starving kids in Ethiopia, I'm going to help Pastor Bob find his car keys!"
Control.
Especially with children, who have no power. It's very miserable when you have abusive parents fueled by religious doctrine and a culture of victim-blaming. And I'm lucky, I just had moderate parents, not real fundies. Doing Christian stuff will be a lot easier for you as a consenting adult who volunteers for it and has freedom to expose yourself to different media than it would be for someone who grew up in it and didn't have those things.