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[–] Kleyno 8 points 93 points (+101|-8) ago 

No.

If deceit can be proven, such as stating she was on BC pills but was not, and was also poking holes in the condoms, then no, I do not think the man should be held accountable and have to pay child support, if they do not want to.

In that scenario, the woman made the decision to create that life on her own, and also the decision to do so against the wishes of her partner.

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[–] markrod420 6 points 94 points (+100|-6) ago 

Men should be allowed to not pay child support if they dont want the child just like women can choose not to have it if they want. Fuck the burden of proving deceit. Women get a choice in the matter. Why dont men.

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[–] Heavydrop 0 points 61 points (+61|-0) ago 

Normally, I'd have said something along the lines of, "Be a man.. Honor your responsibilities etc.." I'd never given thought though, to the fact that women can decide not to own up, and completely step away from their obligation. If a woman can say, "I don't want this child, " and never contribute to its life financially from that point forward, why can't men? It's a slippery slope, but you made a great point.

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[–] HeteroErectus 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

On the contrary, both parties should have that choice taken away. If you have a kid, you should provide support for that kid. Otherwise, it will fall on the rest of society to provide support.

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[–] reddrick 12 points 14 points (+26|-12) ago 

I'm kind of in the middle on this issue but i'm going to play devil's advocate because it seems everyone agrees with you.

This isn't about the rights of the father vs the rights of the mother. It is about the well-being of the child. The child has done nothing wrong and deserves to be provided for by both parents.

The man in this situation knew the risk of blindly trusting someone he just met. The risk is that the woman is lying. He decided to trust her and now he has to deal with the consequences of his decision.

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[–] armday2day 3 points 22 points (+25|-3) ago 

A person that has sex with another person they just met is putting themselves at risk in general. That other person may be a psychopath, and may slash your throat, but I guess the victim should be held accountable?

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[–] smokratez 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

You are putting all the responsibility on the man.

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[–] aakaakaak 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In any other context the root of your argument would be unjustifiable. If you lie about mowing someone's lawn when you didn't you don't get $50. If you lie about the condition of a vehicle when you sell it you're liable to be sued for it and lose. In fact, that's the root of it. The woman becomes legally liable in any other instance except children. The fact that she lied about being on birth control and/or putting holes in the condom, and/or taking the condom out of the garbage and basting the contents change the consequences related to his decision.

On the rights of the child, the man still has no say in the rearing of that child. As well intended as this argument may be, it does not apply. In most instances of lying for pregnancy the child gets to see very little of the welfare provided by the sperm donor. Speaking of which, you can't force a sperm donor to pay child support, can you?

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[–] wolfsktaag 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

that child exists because of the decision of one parent. the man is no more responsible for that decision than you are. just as it wouldnt be right to saddle you with someone elses spawn, its not right to saddle him

bitch didnt want the kid, she shoulda had an abortion. her body, her choice, her responsibility

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[–] WellThatsWeird 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

As sad as that last statement is, it is 100% correct.

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[–] BananaBro 4 points 79 points (+83|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not talking about people who were married for 15 years then accidentally had a kid

I'm even talking about that. A woman can, of her own accord, bring the child to a safe haven, put it up for adoption, or abort the child and eschew all financial and parental responsibility. Men should have a similar alternative to deny responsibility of an unwanted child.

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[–] WellThatsWeird 7 points 21 points (+28|-7) ago 

Lol @ the feminazi downvoating in here.

Anyway, I think another question pops up; what about when the man wants a pregnancy aborted and the woman doesn't? Reversed situation; what if a woman wants to abort and the man wants the child? How/where does one get the power/justification to say that the birth should go to term? And if it was decided long ago that one parent wants and the other doesn't, then why should both have to support it?

I know a guy who's HS girlfriend made a pregnancy pact with friends in HS, she got pregnant (he didn't like it), had the daughter then about 4 months later she wanted nothing to do with it. In short, now this guy is stuck with kid and his own parents are stuck raising it (he works his ass off, ~80hr wks+, but still goes out all the time). She doesn't pay child support btw, I think due to her being the mother. Its a fucked situation, and I feel sorry for his daughter.

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[–] BananaBro 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

That's fucked up. How are pregnancy pacts even a thing?

omg guys let's all get pregnant, jobless, and living with our parents. It'll be SOOOOOO fun!

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[–] mokti 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

If a parent is not required to pay support it isn't due to their status as "the mother." Your acquaintance should consult a lawyer because non-custodial parents are required to support their children by law unless they are in jail or have no income.

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[–] PM_ME_EXPERIMENTS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Why is there no male birth control pill?

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

WTF is a pregnancy pact?

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[–] PlayThatFunkyMusic 2 points 40 points (+42|-2) ago 

Always glove it, bitches be cray cray.

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[–] laserguidedpolarbear 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

And use your own. And make sure she doesn't know where you keep them. I knew a girl in college that was super catholic who would poke holes in any condoms she could find. If she was left alone, she would start searching through drawers to find condoms and poke holes in them. Someone figured it out and soon the whole campus knew about her.

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[–] mokti 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Oh god, if you have to hide your condoms from your mate... maybe it's time to reevaluate who you're fucking.

I mean, definitely be responsible for your own BC. Men should buy condoms and women should get the pill or the implant or whathave you. It's up to BOTH parties to practice safe sex.

But if you have enough trust issues with your sig other... or even just your passing fuck buddy... enough so that you need to HIDE your condoms? Fuck, man, just masturbate and find some new people to hang with and/or screw.

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[–] TheBrokenWorld 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I did, now I have a kid.

Men need reproductive rights, we can't trust our lives to one shitty form of birth control.

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[–] mokti 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I hate to say it, but that's the risk you take. It was severely minimized by using birth control (correctly)... but, you fuck, you risk having a kid. Plain and simple.

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[–] Number1dududuNumber1 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Even better, spend 6 months storing it then get the snip. If you ever want kids there's labs and frozen jizz for that.

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[–] NewtAgain 2 points 31 points (+33|-2) ago 

I think in states where abortions and safe havens are a viable option for women , men should have the option to opt out of fatherhood. However that opt out must happen within a reasonable time before the child is born and failure to inform the father of a child within a reasonable time before it is born will automatically opt him out of legal responsibility.

You shouldn't be able to just show up at someone's door 9 months later and say, this is yours give me money.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

At the same time, if men get a opt out it should required before women can opt out. If the women know that the man was going to bail she might have gotten an abortion but now she is stuck with a kid and no child support from the father.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Women already can opt out, that's the point.

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[–] NewtAgain 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Women can opt out, a woman can give up a child for adoption in many states with no strings attached whatsoever. ... also why i mentioned by all of this should happen before the child is born and within the time a legal abortion can be had.

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[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What if she fucked 15 guys and doesn't know which one is the father?

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[–] NewtAgain 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Obviously all 15 should be required to pay child support.... /s ... but really at that point she would probably have to ask all 15 if they want to be the father and most likely all of them will say fuck no.

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[–] markrod420 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I think a man should be able to choose whether or not he wants anything to do with the child, including monetary support, just like the woman can choose not to have it. Everyone always worried about womens right to choose but what about a mans right to choose. Women always bitching about how unfair everything is but when it comes to babies they receive dictator like power over the situation and the man is dragged along for whatever decision the woman makes but somehow thats supposed to be fucking fair...

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[–] pacman2000 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

I think both men and women should have the right to opt out of raising the child or paying child support in exchange for any rights to seeing the child or being a part of its life.

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[–] S2Foxhunt 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Simply put, no.

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[–] Billionaire 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Unpopular opinion here but you can get pregnant even if she is on birth control, if someone doesn't wear a condom they're on the hook for their son/daughter. Simple. Don't have unprotected sex with a woman if you're not willing to risk a baby. Wear a condom, shit isn't rocket science.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Fair enough, but do you make the same argument for women, or does it only apply to men?

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[–] Billionaire 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Of course, both parents are on the hook for child support. If the woman makes more and the man gets custody he gets child support just the same.

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[–] mokti 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Hell, even the one in a hundred times one in a hundred chance that both the pill AND the condom fails, you should STILL be read to take some fucking responsibility for the fact that you were fucking. Sex is great and healthy and wonderful, but there's still a chance you can fertilize an egg!

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