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[–] SocratesOP ago 

And I'm arguing that just because they do they're not bad parents. You see me now?

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[–] Tat_Tvam_Asi ago 

I never said they are bad parents. Just uneducated in this area.

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[–] SocratesOP ago 

Uneducated and non loving is pretty damning, I didn't think you'd qualify that as good parenting. To each his own