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[–] SocratesOP 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Educated parents can't spank their children? I'm not sure I see the connection. Pointing to the fact that some decent people were never spanked as kids doesn't say much because there are plenty of decent people who were spanked as children as well. Clearly not all children are the same and while some might never need spanked, some could benefit from a blunt lesson in actions and reactions.

Obviously you shouldn't beat your children aggressively with malicious intent, but a smack on the ass could go a long way for some kids. Educated or not

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[–] WarGy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Violence is a little bit like religion. Sure you can raise a kid to be a good person using both, but it's better to use reason so that you actually get a well adjusted, independent Person rather than a follower that caves to the first threats of violence or hints of 'divine revelation'.

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[–] SocratesOP 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Not my idea of violence. A smack on the ass is hardly a vicious blow, done intentionally to one of the fattiest parts of the body to reduce harm. Young children don't fully understand how to use reason yet, but they understand the consequences of their immediate actions.

It's all good and well to take this stance to never lay a single finger on your kids, but some kids are assholes regardless of you as a person.

If your child grows up an aggressive procacatuer because you were too PC to give him a spanking he will get in physical confrontations in the real world. It's not making mistakes that kids should be afraid of, it's getting into mischief.

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[–] revofire 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

But parents do. I always see it when the parents are angry and want to take out that anger and frustration on the child that is misbehaving. Parents are worse than the children typically because when they have no EASY way out, they just go apeshit and call it a day. Yes it makes the child stop. No the child is not okay.

Want an example? I'll use an extreme analogy so there can be no mistakes in the interpretation. If a kid keeps stealing from your vendor's stall, how do you handle it? Here are two potential options: 1. You simply guard the stall and make sure he doesn't do it again, perhaps try and talk to him, perhaps find his parents, all kinds of options really. 2. You can kill the kid.

There are repercussions sure, but both have the same effect: He's not going to steal from you again.

See how that works? All the parents of the world use this as their defense for their failures of being a parent usually. They say it made him stop, but what else did it make him do? Helplessly submit to authority, make them sub-human with less free choice, etc. This creates the horribly brainwashed youth you see today, same goes for the adults too. Don't you see how they helplessly submit and rally behind absolute evil and lies? I do. I always wondered why and now I understand. They view police as 'authority'. The fuck's that mean? They're servants with a wage. That's all.

When a person actively makes the choice to stop own their own, they are 100x better off than any other case. But that's straying from my point. My point is that I call parents failures because they fail to do the most simple thing: lead by example. They're either never there or when they are, they don't do good by their kids or set a good example.

How's the picture make you feel? http://puu.sh/peyv0/2f0651f0b3.jpg Do you agree? Why or why not?

I know this for a fact that there are phases (quite long ones too) in a kid's life where they will follow the parents to all ends of the earth. They are watching silently (and sometimes not so silently) your every move and action and they will assemble those into full thoughts later. Just because you think a kid is too stupid to understand what you're doing now, doesn't mean they don't gather the information and assemble it later to reflect on it.

In the end, parents like to say they sacrificed so much but apparently not enough. Barely giving your kids enough money to go to an institution of indoctrination and citing having them as kids as the excuse that you did not become a success yourself is wrong. The parents totally could have forged a path through the world but they won't. They don't. And this is their fault.

Lead by example. Do NOT tell people to do what you will (not cannot, WILL) not do yourself.

This is super incoherent but don't attack me on that. Understand what I'm trying to say and realize the truth behind it.

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[–] SocratesOP 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Leading by example would work as perfectly as you daydream if you are the only influence on your child's life. Each time they're away at school etc there are other leaders, maybe even children, having profound effects on them.

I think spanking a kid who steals from a vendor is a much more favorable outcome than waiting for him to get legally caught and learn the expensive lesson. Both are learned the same way, with an action and suffering the reaction. There is no substitute for this learning process, as much as you want them to your kids cannot live vicariously through you. As a parent you lead by example yes, but you also correct behavior that you see which could result in your offspring having a tough life.

I've mentioned I don't think senselessly or maliciously beating your kids is okay and is not what we're talking about.

In a mirror situation, everything equal, a kid is stealing from a vendor. One child gets a stern talking to every time he steals, one gets a spanking on his raw hide each time. Who is more likely to steal in the near future?

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[–] Tat_Tvam_Asi 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

There are generations that have never felt the need to spank their children. This indicates it is in the parenting.

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[–] SocratesOP 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

There are also generations that have spanked their kids, I'm not sure I see where you're going with this? If anything the more recent trend in non spankers seems to correlate with the rise of misguided young people today. This hints to me that there are many different types of children who respond to different stimuli.

The argument that spanking somehow indicates a lack of education to me seems disjointed. To me spanking indicates a child has done something way out of line, nothing more.