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[–] catechumen 5 points 30 points (+35|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not completely opposed to this but I predict people will now start downvoating submissions because they ideologically don't agree with the premise.

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[–] madmaddiemim 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

they ideologically don't agree with the premise

Oh what vague nonsense.

I "ideologically don't agree with the premise" of spam.

I "ideologically don't agree with the premise" of corporate shilling.

I "ideologically don't agree with the premise" of child porn.

According to you, I should be upvoting these things if they are posted, because someone may want to see them!

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[–] catechumen 5 points 11 points (+16|-5) ago  (edited ago)

no upvoat the content you feel is relevant to a particular sub and downvoat it if its not relevant. Otherwise stay out of public places, someone might offend you. Why should the world cater to you or even the majority opinions?

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[–] TeardropsFromHell 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If you went to /v/spam and started downvoating spam I think that would be an issue. The whole point of the subverse is spam and since you disagree with it you are attempting to enforce your will on a subverse.

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[–] Combative_Douche 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is voat... I mean these are the folks who think downvotes are censorship. That's a big reason this entire site was created. People being babies about imaginary internet points.

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[–] HP48GX 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

One thing is for certain: this issue requires very delicate handling.

On one hand, /v/all should, by definition, be a completely level playing field.

On the other hand, even /v/all should have some safeguards or it risks becoming /b/

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[–] SpaceRosa 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I hope not. Isn't that what many people are here to avoid? Trading out being silenced because of ideology to being the one who make them silent accomplishes nothing.

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[–] TeardropsFromHell 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Subverses need rules, I am a libertarian I shouldn't be able to go to the Democratic party subverse and downvote every post about gun control, nor should I be able to go to the republican subverse and downvote every post that is pro-war. The entire point of subverses is to express specific opinions and then talk about them, outside users being able to downvote those things that are relevant to the subverse shouldn't be allowed unless the user has proven themselves capable of having an intelligent discussion to begin with.

If should it be okay for me to go to /v/redheads and started posting pictures of blondes, then had all my friends come in and downvote all redhead pics and only upvote blonde pics resulting in a radical change in the content of that subverse against the wishes of the primary userbase? Obviously not, but that is where reddit got with the political subreddits.

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[–] Clayton 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yes, but people still downvoat because they disagree with you unfortunately.

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[–] crpearce 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Always been the case. But at the very least up/down tallies can help contextualize and identify when that happens.

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[–] HP48GX 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'd like to see a /v/everything2 , too ;)

edit: for the uninitiated...

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[–] Vladimir_Komarov 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This is me, I want to see everything. There should be some option for those of us who had no problem with seeing it all.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You mean virtually everyone? I mean, it's called /v/all, after all.

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[–] DanielFlamino 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

What about the subverses that have expressed their wish was too not appear in /v/all (which most than likely would be the same for this suggestion)?

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[–] AlLnAtuRalX 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Perhaps a checkbox to include subreddits with non-default rulesets? Or another metaverse like /v/unfiltered for content with all types of rules? I agree they should be excluded from /v/all, but I think they should be included in some sort of metaverse (which has all content, though perhaps not equally ranked).

Another cleaner solution that preserves the integrity of ranking may be to calculate the ranking on /v/all based exclusively on upvoats, while the verse-specific and comment pages pages use the old algorithm taking both ups and downs into account. That way, /v/all would have procedural equality for all verses while still allowing for non-standard rulesets. This would also make it more difficult for brigades to filter content from discussion entirely while allowing for downvoats to control what appears when you visit a specific verse.

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[–] TeardropsFromHell 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

A Mod of the libertarian subverse here, is there some other way for us to be promoted. I think that politically oriented subverses have a vested interest in maintaining some CCP in order to prevent downvote brigades (and paid shills) from stifling content. Ours is currently set to 3 which I gained in appx. one post which essentially functions has a CAPTCHA to prevent abuse by non-active users. However I understand your point, perhaps is there some sort of compromise solution. One idea is that subs with 0 CCP cannot be a "featured subverse" that way even users of /v/all will eventually see these subverses that do have CCP restrictions. I also like the idea of a /v/everything.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Good point, but I think you'll gain members anyhow from libertarians looking up the sub on their own.

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[–] goatboy 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

If nothing else this post is a great resource for discovering new subs to join.

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[–] beardman 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I really like this change, quick, clean, and easy way to sort out the issue.

My thought is maybe instead of 0, it should be 20? The same as the other minimum for being able to up voat content without being throttled. So any subverse who has the CCP at greater than 20 is ruled out of /v/all.

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[–] Amarok 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think this might be the wiser course.

Most verses want to put a small minimum on the downvotes just so that driveby voting and brigading are kept under control. That's totally doable with a number as small as 10 CCP. It seems like 25 or less is quite reasonable. Most people can accumulate that in no time, and it's only going to get easier to do that as voat grows up and attracts more people.

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[–] catechumen 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I was thinking something in proportion to the amount of subscribers to the verse, if the ccp requirement is greater than the amount of subscribers, it's being abused.

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[–] wayne 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I like it. Mods, better go change your subverse settings if you want to be in /all!

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[–] NotAnUndercoverCop 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I had all mine set 5. I didn't really that was unreasonable or unfair.

0 is just gonna let people be dicks and down vote people they disagree with while simultaneously contributing nothing of value.

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Which is why this change isn't the best. If it was something like "subverses with x or higher minimum upkarmas will be removed", it'd be better.

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