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[–] nimik 0 points 61 points (+61|-0) ago 

You are correct that many of the recent changes have spurred many Reddit users to find alternative websites. I saw Whoaverse posted and decided to check it out. If you want this to become a true alternative, I would suggest recognizing many of the things that Reddit did wrong to displease the userbase (censorship, vote system modifications, ect..)

As for the money, you could always add advertisements to help cover costs. I honestly don't believe, if placed properly, ads would stop people from joining and being active, especially if you offered a way to remove them (for a price of course). Also wouldn't hurt to have merchandise (tshirts, coffee mugs ect..) with the Whoaverse name/logo on it that users could purchase that would also help cover the costs AND help with exposure for the site.

I am unfortunately not a programmer or I would assist with updating/completing the scripts. I do however have experience with managing websites and being user support (my real job is an account manager for a digital software company), so if you would like to talk or bounce some ideas off me, just let me know.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

Thank you for your feedback.

I learned a lot from Digg/9Gag/Reddit mistakes and the most important thing is to not make any changes unless people specifically requested them. I can promise that whoaverse will not change anything unless people actually request and vote for those changes.

I have the full rights for the whoaverse mascot (I drew it myself) and so far I only printed 1 t-shirt and some stickers for myself. I am mostly interested in the technical side of things, so if someone else could set up the merchandise and run it - that would be awesome.

What do you think about registering a non-profit foundation? This would make it easier to accept donations and run things. Is the procedure to register such foundation in US difficult/costly?

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[–] Themeanbeaver 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Really nice to see what you did here. reddit is done, they pretty much sterilized the site of any intelligent discussion. Conde Nast's bullshit ad site is what remains. I will submit here. I for one would gladly donate to you just to have a site without censorship-,especially the rampant censorship of political and socioeconomic discussions on Reddit.Thank You for doing this.

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[–] nimik 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You could do a non-profit, but you would have to create a mission statement about what the cause of the non-profit is for. Alternatively, you could register as a LLC, which gives you (and partners and employees) protection from company debts, and allows you to accept donations and make a profit. A non-profit would allow donations to be tax deductible. A LLC would require to pay taxes (assuming profit is made) but it is quite easy to do.

There is a lot of paperwork to file as a non-profit, plus having to prove that you do qualify. A LLC on the other hand, is pretty easy to file and only a few forms to fill out.

Here is some more info about LLC vs Non-Profit: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-nonprofit-organization-llc-746.html

As for the merchandise, there are a few places I know of that can help, but I'll look into it for you and see what I can come up with.

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[–] Casting 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If you are truly interested in pursuing the non-profit model I would be really interested in helping out. I would love to see something organized like Reddit, but managed like Wikipedia. Seems to have really great potential.

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[–] FlavorD 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I would like to help with the merchandising. You truly won't find better pricing, and we know how to ship quickly and cheaply.

FlavorD at google mail

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[–] drharrison 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Good ideas. I definitely think donations/merchandise is the way to go. As soon as you have corporate sponsors, they will have an interest in controlling what is placed on the site. If you start to rely on that big Coca-cola check coming in, what happens when they threaten to pull out unless you remove negative posts about them? Heck, they may even go around the admins, and find that its in their best interest to pay a couple of interns to scan whoaverse as a vote-brigade.

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[–] Orangutan 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's why I'm here : )

p.s. we need to get whoaverse on the AddThis plugin so users can find content online and then press add this and submit it to whoaverse.

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[–] dec8ur 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

I think that reddits biggest mistake is that while it is powered by its users, it feels undemocratic. Simply allowing users to vote on sitewide changes and the mods for subs will go a long way to making this a viable site in the long run

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Agreed. So be it. All changes will require community approval.

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[–] dec8ur 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

the thing of it is you have to make the way that people are able to vote for these things hard to game. like the people who vote have to on the site for a certain amount of time and be active users, that will cut down on vote gaming

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[–] until0 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Agreed.

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[–] live_free 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I too agree; and am also from reddit of the same name. The only problem is sometimes there are genuine concerns that may be, well, not well received. An easy example is dox-dropping or other privacy violations.

Funny enough, what we are discovering here, is in some ways what our fore-fathers did upon creating a state. The goal is democracy; that being representation of people. But at the same time mob-rule, or majority rule, are undesirable as the can suppress the will of a minority unfairly. In an effort to combat this a site/government drew up a charter/constitution in which there were unalienable rights.

If we could ever wish to have a truly free, open, and responsive community build upon aggregation we need ground rules. I for one would be in favor of freedom of speech to the extent it does not violate the privacy of others.

Atko: If you are serious about this endeavor, first I want to say thank you, secondly please allow us to donate, and last but not least, open a thread discussing what this charter should be. I.E. What's our constitution?

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[–] PrivateJoker 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You hit the nail on the head with your comparison to creating a state, humanity keeps progressing and the macro and micro issues will always stay the same.

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[–] Heracross 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I wonder if we took a hint from our forefathers and implemented some sort of system of separation of powers, checks and balances.

I also like the idea of direct democracy and users being able to vote on changes to the website. Very cool way to make people engaged and feel like they have a voice that matters.

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[–] Gormogon 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I'm a knee-jerk Redditor. Just show me where to donate. Please stick with it, your site can be the hero that we want, and need.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Hi and welcome! There is currently no way to donate (well, I could open up a bitcoin wallet or paypal account) and no need for money (yet). The server that is currently hosting whoaverse should serve a few thousand simultaneous users perfectly fine (please complain if you notice any availability problems). The only place where money is needed would be to scale things up in order to serve more people. Maybe it would be a good idea to start saving up, but I guess some form of legal entity should be formed prior to taking further steps. I am open to suggestions.

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[–] brightfuture 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Ever hear of legalzoom.com? I have it on "high" authority that it's a cheap and easy way to form a corporation.

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[–] raka_defocus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I used rocketlawyer for my last LLC, they set everything up for $150.00 USD

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[–] Tuna_Railgun 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You need to either incorporate or form a non profit. From a financial standpoint having it as a non profit would make it easier as you would have more incentive for community support channels and less risk.

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[–] hithereyoulookswell 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I'm new here too after eight years on Reddit. I just want to say that this really reminds me of Reddit a few years ago, i.e. quality content, a manageable and higher quality comments section, and a healthier balance of images to other content.

I also really like 'discuss' rather than 'comment' - a subtle difference, but telling!

P.S. I promise I'll behave and try not to ruin things.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Eight years? I have been a redditor for 2 and wow... I feel honored to see such reddit veterans here. Welcome to whoaverse!

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[–] keto4life 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Another long term vet here. I know exactly where you're coming from. I think part of the problem is that people used to enforce "reddiquette" which was ultimately responsible from preventing knee-jerk "like/dislike" behaviour. The mass Digg migration and explosion of meme culture has damaged the reddit ethos beyond repair. It's now full of karma-whoring teenagers who want more out of the community than they are willing to contribute. Reddit continues to nurture this hive mindset of greed and instant gratification. Look where it got them.

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[–] docidu 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well, didnt get my 8 year tag yet, but got my 7 on there, and I'm done, they have shown again and again that they do not care about their userbase beyond how it can increase revenue, And I'm done supporting groups that do not respect those that give them power, including government.

I look forward to a potential future here..

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[–] Jet 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Hiya! You're doing fantastic work over here. If you ever get the funds to make this website handle new users, I'll probably end up moving here. Reddit's become quite the shithole.

Can I make a feature suggestion while I'm here?

One of the main things people liked about reddit's old system is that they could see the upvote/downvote ratio on comments, just like on posts, using third party plug-ins. I think it would be wonderful if you could implement that feature by default.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Hi! Thank you for these kind words. The upvote downvote counts are already implemented and visible (well, only if you check site source), but I could add this ratio next to the points part. Would that work?

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Could you please make a screenshot of this page and photoshop in (use ms paint or another tool) example of how you would like the ratio to be shown. Thanks!

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[–] ShittyCommentBot 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

woo hoo!!, I get to be here at the beginning!!!

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[–] PuttItOut 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Just took a look at the code base. C#! I like it. I've been a .NETer for ever so just wanted to say good job, I'm impressed.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

The code needs a lot of improvement (specifically dependency injection, unit of work pattern etc) and optimization, but thank you very much!

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[–] joe6pak 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I have a significant bunch of hardware left over from a prior project, and I can arrange low cost colocation. Let me know if interested.

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[–] joe6pak 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

/u/joe-6pak on reddit, also

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Thank you! This is a great offer. I would like to stay clear of hosting on self-maintained hardware because of possible scalability issues. Some sort of cloud solution would be the best option in the long run imho (Azure?). Maybe you could provide a backup service of some sort? We can talk more, drop an email to team@whoaverse.com if you feel like it.

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[–] CantankerousMind 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Cloud is too expensive. You may as well purchase a new server because you'll be spending the same amount over a few years.

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