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[–] namae_nanka 0 points 119 points (+119|-0) ago 

How many of you are SJW or have SJW girlfriends?

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[–] zook [S] 0 points 165 points (+165|-0) ago 

We are not SJW and don't plan on becoming it. Also (luckily for us), no SJW girlfriends ;) We believe in freedom of speech as an inherent value in human communication and will do the utmost to uphold this principle on Voat.

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[–] sayyestothejess 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

This is exactly what I was hoping to find. I like this place.

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

Censorship happens with mass brigading, but banning brigading would in itself be censorship, what can be done about this?

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[–] buttreaver 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

What does "SJW" mean to you? On reddit, I see people being accused of being "SJW" just for disagreeing with racists and sexists. Is this website open to people who feel that racism and sexism are problems that don't just affect white men? or are people who are concerned with social equality going to be silenced with downvote brigades in spite of all the "free speech" rhetoric being thrown around?

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[–] freedumbz 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Screencapped.

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[–] zook [S] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Nope, nobody of us has an account on Tumblr.

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Tumblr isn't bad, though I see SJW shit sometimes. Someone actually messaged me denouncing me as a racist and then going on to call white people demons. lol bro I'm Asian (and also a Slav which were not traditionally considered white). Anyway I then went ahead and responded to them with a long paragraph calling them out on their bullshit and that actually got a few likes so clearly not all is lost.

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[–] serg 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

This is what I want to know. It's literally the one things that took Reddit down the shitter.

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[–] hipst 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Being owned by Condé Nast contributed nothing to that?

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[–] MrHarryReems 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Actually, I thought it started swirling the drain when all of the Diggers jumped on board. Reasonable discourse turned into name-calling and shouting matches and it was all downhill from there.

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I blame the french!

On a more serious note, this is all the fault of capitalism.

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[–] Sticky 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

asking the important question, also a follow up do you guys plan on having SJW girlfriends?

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[–] Chronus 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Do you guys plan on having girlfriends.

FTFY. I mean with the imminent traffic and activity.

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[–] Asp 0 points 43 points (+43|-0) ago 

Hi,

First, I'd like to congratulate the Voat team for making a great site with lots of potential. Now to some questions:

  1. How much money does it cost on average, per month, to run a site like this?
  2. How well is this site currently equipped to handle these situations where there is a sudden influx of new users?
  3. Any idea if/when you are going to start showing ads soon, or figuring some other way to stay afloat? My guess is that you people don't really earn any money from this site at the moment.

Thanks in advance!

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[–] Atko [M] 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

Hello and thanks! Voat is far from great but I agree, there is lots of potential if we do the right things and do them right.

  1. Right now it costs about $40 US/month but this could skyrocket pretty quick. The $40 is only covering the server rent, but we put quite a lot of our free time (instead of working and earning a wage) and true costs are yet to be realized.
  2. We are able to scale pretty quickly (in matter of minutes) but we would need to find a better long term solution with geo replication and other perks while at the same time keeping in mind that user data must be kept safe and private.
  3. We have a long way to go before we can start showing ads. We are loosing money as we speak but I am confident that we will find a solution which is acceptable for the users and which pays well enough so that people can actually make a living (like YouTube stars do).

I hope this answers your question.

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[–] Asp 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

It very much does. Thanks, and stay cool!

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[–] han_shot_first 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

As per funding, doing a gofundme or Kickstarter might not be a bad idea. I'm sure you could get a good bit of cash to keep things going for the time being until a long term source is secured.

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[–] cctv 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

hey, I don't know if you already do, but you should check this And as for the part of loosing money, I would not worry, maybe just put a single ad and start monitoring from there!

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[–] Chrysler 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'll post now so I don't forget: Have you been in communication with the Reddit admins at all? They must know of Voat by now - has any ill-well been expressed or do you and the Reddit guys support each other? Also, what are your plans for preventing Act II of the shitshow on Reddit?

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[–] zook [S] 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We have not communicated with the Reddit admins yet. We do not see them as enemies, but believe that we simply have completely different outlooks on how a media aggregator should be managed.

Why Act II will be prevented: https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/44003/47258 and the maximum of subs one can moderate is set to 10 ;)

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

the maximum of subs one can moderate is set to 10 ;)

:(

This makes the VNG impossible to work with because all VNG gamemasters require access to moderate every nation's subverse ;_;

@atko what's your thoughts on this?

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[–] astarkey12 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The limit of 10 subs is not an effective preventative measure and will only serve to be a minor nuisance. Someone could easily create a new account to control more than 10. I would completely do away with the limit and instead just be more interventionist than the reddit admins when it comes to sub squatters and having strong top mods.

Plus, a lot of people use private subs for CSS sandboxes and other testing spaces. You're needlessly inconveniencing people with this limit.

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[–] Foxy 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

From what I've seen, a lot of people here are expressing concerns about "SJW" types. Since this is about "no censorship," can I ask if they are also not going to be censored - a la /v/ShitVoatSays or something? I may not agree with them on a whole lot of things, but I like reddit because I can still get exposed to that sort of stuff. If I had to constantly deal with everyone having the same views I'd go bonkers.

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[–] Atko [M] 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

We will not censor anything as long as it is legal in Switzerland.

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[–] cointelpro_shill 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

This is going to be a great site for sharing corrupt/secretive banking practices :D

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[–] nul 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Is there an overview of this anywhere? I don't think many users are from Switzerland.

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[–] motherfucker 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What does that entail? What are the legal limits on free speech? How "soft" are the definitions, in terms of what you might be requested to take down by legal entities -- either for copyright, libel, hate speech, or whatever?

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[–] thundar00 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I love this. But what about the grabbing of subverses by pol?

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[–] flyawayhigh 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I am concerned about this "SJW" term. I've been on the internet a long time and I never heard of it until i came here. The term seems to be everywhere suddenly. What is this all about? Who came up with this term? What did these "SJW" people do to whom?

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[–] 48062 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

SJW is short for "Social Justice Warrior." It is a somewhat recent manifestation of "radical" social justice -minded folks.

In my experience, many approach everything looking to be offended. Once they find something to be offended by, they'll go tell their friends with a similar mindset about what offended them. Often, (this is what I mean by they're seeking something to offend them) they will misconstrue arguments and/ or make great assumptions and/ or selectively/misquote a person to get to this offense. On the internet, it is easy to find an echo chamber of sorts, which is especially true on reddit.

The subreddit /r/shitredditsays is one such subreddit. It is full of direct links to "offensive" threads or comments in other subreddits, and in the comment threads of these SRS threads you can witness the echo chamber of misconstrution and hypocritical assumption making.

As I understand the recent flair-up of SJW mentions, it is due to members of that community becoming moderators of other subreddits and moderating based off their personal feelings, not based off what is best for the community.

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[–] Chai_Ito 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Social Justice Warrior. Broadly speaking, they're individuals/groups who use social media to draw attention to social causes (different SJW people have different causes that they are interested in - gender equality, LGBTQ rights, race relations, etc.). In a perfect world, they would start dialogues and spread relevant information about the issues they are concerned with. But the world isn't perfect.

The SJW types that you're seeing about the problems surrounding reddit/tumblr./voat are the people who take the cause too far. They're known for becoming the "boy who cried wolf" and leveling accusations of social injustice when it's obviously not the case. There are also plenty of instances of SJWs accusing people who disagree with them (for legitimate or illegitimate reasons) of bigotry and being on the wrong side of things, even if the criticism is just against the aggressive tone that SJWs use. They've been known to get the personal information of people (email, phone, address) and recruit fellow 'warriors' to harass and discredit.

I've been fortunate enough to not actually come across any SJW action in my forays around the internet, but I'm sure other people can point you to examples.

The reason the SJW question is so pertinent to voat is the idea that voat is going to be a censorship-free space (barring illegal stuff, of course). That's why there's been an increasing exodus from reddit to voat, and is one of the major differences in how things will be run here. The trick is finding a balance between keeping an open social media experience, and managing swarms of confrontational SJW downvote brigades that will detract the experience of the average user.

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[–] Foxy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I believe the term originally spawned amongst Tumblr social justice communities unironically to refer to more active members of the community. It stands for "Social Justice Warrior." I'm going to try and keep most of this as neutral as possible, because that's more fair than what you'll get from a lot of people.

Social Justice generally refers to furthering the legal and social rights of various minorities, ranging from the support of people like Trayvon Martin to support of gay marriage. Chances are, if you think a group is being unfairly discriminated against somehow, you're for Social Justice.

However, some would argue that communities dedicated specifically to Social Justice are becoming unfavourably extreme, which has lead to the co-opting of the term "SJW" as an insult predominately by Reddit and 4Chan, and can be somewhat linked to a distaste for feminism and feminists on both sites. For example, searching the tag "Otherkin" on Tumblr leads to a rather esoteric community revolving around people who truly believe that they are actually animals, or objects, or fictional/mythological characters, with rather unique pronouns (one famous example being for a plant-kin, who desired the pronouns bud, budself, etc). There are numerous "SJWs" on the site who consider the Otherkin plight to be equally important to that of transgendered individuals. Other examples that people feel are less silly and more serious include the support of Mike Brown in his shooting (an undoubtedly contentious issue), a possibly-satirical "kill all men" vibe and support of Patriarchy theory, sometimes to extreme lengths such as considering the commonly-male practice of spreading one's legs on an empty train row to be an expression of male power to dominate women. The leaning to extremism would obviously be difficult to stop - criticising a point made would draw accusations of racism or sexism, as it is implied (though not necessarily true) that that person is against Social Justice regardless if they are or not.

SJWs tend to be described as middle-upper-class American white girls to be found on Tumblr and /r/ShitRedditSays and its various affiliates, and those considered to be an SJW will commonly describe themselves as feminists. Those that disagree with SJWs are commonly described as MRAs (Men's Rights Activists, as a negative term) by them.

Since SJWs are so popular on Reddit, and it has apparently been exposed that the admins are in league with these people and plan on enforcing a form of censorship to prevent hate speech and subsequent offense, many are migrating here in order to escape and bringing the term "SJW" with them.

Personally, I don't think that SJWs or the insult MRAs exist (though actual Men's Rights Activists do exist). There is no set list of criteria, with it instead being a label given to others who disagree with the label-giver on various political issues. I've been called an SJW several times for disagreeing with Redditors on the issue of guns, for instance, as have many who disagree with the "Reddit hive mind." The term is slightly more valid for describing the political views of communities (with /r/ShitRedditSays being the most popular), however. Whilst I can say that I generally dislike people I've engaged with who consider themselves supporters of the subreddit I just mentioned (it has a very overactive ban policy and so people are often rude and argumentative rather than engaging in an actual debate), but I don't disagree with them on every issue they raise, nor do I agree completely or vilify them as many are prone to do.

Ultimately though, it's up to you to form your own opinion! Just make sure to read widely, and don't just take my word for it or the words of the guy below me or a guy on Reddit or one person on Tumblr. Look at Tumblr, look at Reddit, look here, and decide for yourself!

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[–] Combative_Douche 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

I've had many posts deleted already. It appears Voat is not truly anti-censorship.

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[–] 47084 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Deletions are done at the mod level, I have had to delete posts from one of my subs because people were spamming it with porn.

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[–] Yes 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Would that not be a mod's doing?

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[–] Foxy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

May I ask what they were? I mean, it's not that I don't believe you, but it could be anything from a dissenting opinion to child pornography.

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[–] Russia 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Interesting. What were the content of the posts, and where did you post them - just describe the general nature if you're worried about getting it deleted from repeating the content.

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[–] DDio 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

  • How do you feel about shadowbanning?
  • Are you willing to do a monthly disclosure, about court orders filed against voat?(Ex: Every month you add a row that states "For the last month we have not beed forced to share user information or we do not have a gag order on any ongoing investigation." and in the case where you have the gag order you simply don't put this row, so users coud be made aware)

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[–] zook [S] 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago  (edited ago)

  • Shadowbanning is already implemented (we have seen it as a very effective tool against spammers). We will have a weekly list on the site that shows the people that are shadowbanned plus the reason. With this list, it is harder to abuse shadowbanning, but the tool itself can still be used against spammers (they usually do not know the functionality of the site and therefore will not see that list).

  • Yes, this is a great idea. Until now, we have not received any court order and starting March, we are going to publicly state this every month in order for users to know what is going on.

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[–] absurdlyobfuscated 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I most sincerely hope you only ever use shadowbanning to combat spam. Reddit's approach was to passive-aggressively stealth ban people for the slightest of infractions, like voting in linked threads because of "brigading" which at worst should deserve a virtual slap on the wrist and a stern message from an admin. It's a very clumsy tool to deal with intricate, subtle issues, and it's very clearly (in my mind) one of the biggest things reddit does wrong. So I applaud you for doing it in a way that's transparent and leaves very little room for abuse. Seriously, thank you, and this is why I love voat. :)

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[–] Combative_Douche 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What's stopping you from lying about the shadowban reason?

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[–] Sticky 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago  (edited ago)

can we have something a lot similar to old RES? i know some features are default here but not all. for example the ability to display thread images without leaving voat also name tags etc...

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[–] zook [S] 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

The plan is to implement as many features of RES as possible natively for Voat. As our resources are quite limited for the moment, we have to set priorities in order to get the most needed features for the community out there asap.

You can be sure that in the long run, our plans for Voat compromise much more than just a Reddit+RES site. We see this as a project that is never finished and as it is very rewarding to improve the site step by step, we don't see a reason why we should stop doing it ;)

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[–] 47076 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

the ability to display thread images without leaving voat

Click on the grey thing next to this text

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[–] Ch3ck3rs 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

How did you do that?

edit:Got it!

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[–] zhaansgarden 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've been reading a lot of hype about why Voat is supposed to be superior to Reddit, but to me it really looks like an exact copy of Reddit. How is this site different? Also, what plans do you have in place to prevent the mods from becoming power-hungry, like on Reddit? I think a simple solution would be to allow all the members of a subverse the right to 'Voat' a mod's power away at any point. Or maybe you could upvote or downvote the mods like a post, and if a mod gets too many downvotes they're locked out. Would you guys ever consider implementing a system that gave the general population the power to select the moderators of their forums, instead of having each subverse run by it's own clique of users?

Edit: Spelling

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[–] zook [S] 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

The main points distinguishing us from reddit right now are the following:

  • No-censorship policy. Anything that is legal, stays on the site. We are not going to consider individual opinions on this

  • The maximum of subs one can moderate is 10

  • The set feature (coming soon, see preview here

In the future (mid to end 2015), the partner program of Voat will change the game of how discussions on the internet work and we will operate in a completely new market.

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[–] Iwakurasan 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Is it 10 per user or per IP?

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[–] Sazooki 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What's to stop the site becoming run by a bunch of power hungry mods that delete anything they don't like, like they do with anti-SJW stuff on Reddit's /r/gaming, /r/games, /r/todayilearned etc? Just the limit of 10 subreddits? I don't think that's enough.

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[–] casebash 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How is the set feature different from multi-reddits?

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[–] Nemesis 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

One problem with that is you could get a coordinated effort from members of one sub to move into a new sub and mass downvote the mods there. Hypothetical case: Anti vaxxer sub gets angry that /v/science won't allow any pseudoscience links, so they subscribe, take part in discussions for a few days, and then massively downvote any mod that speaks out against pseudoscience. Replace antivaxxers with political group X and /v/science with political group Y and you see the problem. My main account is a mod, so while I don't mind the idea of giving subs more input on who gets to mod, I also know that just about every person who gets a clearly inappropriate link removed gets pissy about it.

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[–] mommysaidabadword 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Maybe hold a monthly thread to discuss. If the members of the sub feel weird or whatever and agree that a mod should go, then so be it.

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[–] skynet-r0b0t0 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

no questions, just a complimentary awesome site

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[–] Atko [M] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Thank you. I don't know what to say :) I'll just ping all the people that helped make it: @puttitout, @nurdoidz, @danielflamino, @zook :)

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