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[–] TheBuddha 1 points 180 points (+181|-1) ago 

What is more awesome is that you FPH people do a VERY good job at keeping your content in your little corner. I like that and commend you. You do not 'spill' out into the rest of the subs, usually, and fill them up with rants about your opinions. I'm a natural skinny guy so I checked out your corner and did not find it appealing but it is not like I care what you do with your space. I like that you are open about it and keep your content there on your side of the playground.

I appreciate that. I think others would be well suited to examine how you accomplish it and consider trying to encourage the same.

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[–] HarpoonTheFatty 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Thanks :) our playground is just that, it's our 'safe space'. We got problems there too with our userbase being elitist sometimes (swole super ego) and it has been raised about people being jerks over political stuff. Mods simply said they won't ban any political argument so long as it abides by voat rules or doesn't take over and become off topic. We're transparent at least - I don't think anyone can disagree with that!

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[–] Gamiac 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

it's our 'safe space'

I actually really dislike the idea of "safe spaces." They encourage ideological weakness and authoritarianism, as opposed to skepticism and individualism.

See, back on the other site, I got banned from a Very Srs Place for calling someone who was bitching about the people in that place a moron. It pissed me off because of the fact that they weren't even willing to tell me why they disagreed with the use of the word. They just flat-out benned me. In other words, they used force to win the argument by default instead of trying to attack my ideas and showing me, and everyone else, why they were wrong.

Similarly, I find the way you guys advocate for free speech and then ban anyone who disagrees with you ridiculously hypocritical. If your ideas of fat people literally being inferior human beings are so superior, why do you use force to stop people from being able to disagree? Are you really so afraid of opposing ideas winning against yours that you're willing to pretend that restricting the ability of people to disagree is equivalent to understanding why your opponents oppose your ideas and providing counterarguments to all of the ideas that they have?

Simply put, you are not willing to engage your opponents on an equal level. Instead, you simply want to use any means possible to end the discussion and declare yourself the victor. Cowards.

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[–] JJEivl 20 points -17 points (+3|-20) ago 

Let me explain this another way. This thread was recently on the frontpage:

A man representing 2,350+ professionals appeared on C-SPAN 1 year ago to discuss the science behind all 3 tower collapses on 9/11--it's now the Most Popular video on the C-SPAN site with 400,000 views

Researching the claims produced this popular sentiment though:

Many mainstream scientists choose not to debate proponents of 9/11 conspiracy theories, saying they do not want to lend them unwarranted credibility.

The problem is this is the most common sentiment used today: demonize the messenger so you don't have the be held accountable to the message. Refuse to debate your critics. This implies that ignoring criticism undermines its credibility. But just the opposite is true. Ignoring criticism bolsters the critics.

This is an important principle of debate. The truth is not threatened by public scrutiny, but cowardly keyboard warriors today seem to think that the truth is some fragile princess that needs to be placed in an ivory tower to be protected. What these cowards are really admitting is that their fragile self-esteem needs to be protected. The truth laughs at their insecurity. When has the truth ever been threatened by a dissenting viewpoint?

Voat is being threatened by keyboard warriors who wish to enact policies that they REFUSE to put under public scrutiny. Imagine if we were live debating all these issues. It would be simple to come to a conclusion because we could hear from both sides at once. And that's the entire point of live debate--to challenge each other's views to test their trustworthiness.

If one side gives a separate speech and the other side gives a separate speech, nothing is ever accomplished because there is no challenge to each other's ideas. The only way to get to the truth is to pit ideas AGAINST each other like battle bots. We want to see which ideas sink and which ideas swim. But that can't be accomplished in the vacuum of a delusional keyboard warrior's childish mind. It can only be accomplished when all ideas are judged as harshly as possible in a PUBLIC setting. We've already seen how easily mods can censor and remove ideas behind the keyboard, but this is impossible during a live debate. You must show cause during a live debate otherwise your ideas die on the examination floor. They are no longer protected by your feelings alone as they can be while hiding behind the keyboard.

Voat is suffering from a lack of public scrutiny even though every conclusion is pointing towards MORE scrutiny. The only way mod abuse can occur is if we allow these cowardly faggots to hide their policies behind their keyboards instead of bringing them out in the open and having them challenged and examined for deficiencies. When ideas compete, the good ones become apparent very quickly. When ideas are separated and rely on propaganda and demonizing the opposition to survive, such ideas can never really be trusted.

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[–] Phuffu 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

you claim to be skinny, but your username is TheBuddha, I smell something fishy...

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[–] voat-simulator 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

The fat Buddha represents the time when he attempted to seek happiness through decadence. He was thin, too.

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[–] TheBuddha 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The depiction you are familiar with is known as The Laughing Buddha. He's fat. Buddha did crazy things like starve himself for years on end. He was likely quite skinny.

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[–] haveallthebananas 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Yeah they keep themselves segregated until something happens (like somebody calls them on their bullshit ahem the only thing Reddit has ever done right) and they lose their fucking minds.

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[–] Yldraeth 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Banning a sub is totally the same as calling someone out on his bullshit.....

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[–] Tinker_Bell 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The reaction of many FPH subscribers was absolutely immature and not something I participated in, despite being a subscriber. However, those users would've stayed in their own space, but it was taken away with nowhere to go. I don't agree with their methods, but if someone took away your only place to vent, you'd be pissed too.

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[–] nosg 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

What is more awesome is that you FPH people do a VERY good job at keeping your content in your little corner.

Yeah except they don't https://voat.co/v/news/comments/420031/1856733

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[–] TheBuddha 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I did not say, or insinuate, that they were perfect. Only that they do a very good job. I feel that they do and, if you don't, then I would suggest that you try to envision what could be the worst case scenario. In light of that? Yes, I submit that they do an excellent job. That you have a single link, instead of a pile of them, is a good indicator. Again, I commend them on their self policing.

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[–] NegativeCalories 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We're still users of this site and we still get to participate. Aside from that, facts are facts. You don't get to blame us because you don't like them.

Well, I suppose you get to, but it doesn't make you right.

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