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[–] Pahyum 8 points 315 points (+323|-8) ago 

My two cents:

Default subs should play by different rules. I don't see an issue with FPH because they aren't a default. AskVoat was a default so that, to me, was the biggest issue. Due to this, either AskVoat needs to be taken over and restored to default or a new sub needs to be defaulted to take its place.

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[–] codyave 3 points 56 points (+59|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I'm okay with neither AskVoat nor an alternative from being promoted to default.

For now, at least.

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[–] AtheistComic 0 points 46 points (+46|-0) ago 

If you have a question just ask /v/whatever

Unmoderated and no problem.

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[–] cdoyave 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Let me explain this another way. This thread was recently on the frontpage:

A man representing 2,350+ professionals appeared on C-SPAN 1 year ago to discuss the science behind all 3 tower collapses on 9/11--it's now the Most Popular video on the C-SPAN site with 400,000 views

Researching the claims produced this popular sentiment though:

Many mainstream scientists choose not to debate proponents of 9/11 conspiracy theories, saying they do not want to lend them unwarranted credibility.

The problem is this is the most common sentiment used today: demonize the messenger so you don't have the be held accountable to the message. Refuse to debate your critics. This implies that ignoring criticism undermines its credibility. But just the opposite is true. Ignoring criticism bolsters the critics.

This is an important principle of debate. The truth is not threatened by public scrutiny, but cowardly keyboard warriors today seem to think that the truth is some fragile princess that needs to be placed in an ivory tower to be protected. What these cowards are really admitting is that their fragile self-esteem needs to be protected. The truth laughs at their insecurity. When has the truth ever been threatened by a dissenting viewpoint?

Voat is being threatened by keyboard warriors who wish to enact policies that they REFUSE to put under public scrutiny. Imagine if we were live debating all these issues. It would be simple to come to a conclusion because we could hear from both sides at once. And that's the entire point of live debate--to challenge each other's views to test their trustworthiness.

If one side gives a separate speech and the other side gives a separate speech, nothing is ever accomplished because there is no challenge to each other's ideas. The only way to get to the truth is to pit ideas AGAINST each other like battle bots. We want to see which ideas sink and which ideas swim. But that can't be accomplished in the vacuum of a delusional keyboard warrior's childish mind. It can only be accomplished when all ideas are judged as harshly as possible in a PUBLIC setting. We've already seen how easily mods can censor and remove ideas behind the keyboard, but this is impossible during a live debate. You must show cause during a live debate otherwise your ideas die on the examination floor. They are no longer protected by your feelings alone as they can be while hiding behind the keyboard.

Voat is suffering from a lack of public scrutiny even though every conclusion is pointing towards MORE scrutiny. The only way mod abuse can occur is if we allow these cowardly faggots to hide their policies behind their keyboards instead of bringing them out in the open and having them challenged and examined for deficiencies. When ideas compete, the good ones become apparent very quickly. When ideas are separated and rely on propaganda and demonizing the opposition to survive, such ideas can never really be trusted.

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[–] JJEivl 19 points -8 points (+11|-19) ago 

Let me explain this another way. This thread was recently on the frontpage:

A man representing 2,350+ professionals appeared on C-SPAN 1 year ago to discuss the science behind all 3 tower collapses on 9/11--it's now the Most Popular video on the C-SPAN site with 400,000 views

Researching the claims produced this popular sentiment though:

Many mainstream scientists choose not to debate proponents of 9/11 conspiracy theories, saying they do not want to lend them unwarranted credibility.

The problem is this is the most common sentiment used today: demonize the messenger so you don't have the be held accountable to the message. Refuse to debate your critics. This implies that ignoring criticism undermines its credibility. But just the opposite is true. Ignoring criticism bolsters the critics.

This is an important principle of debate. The truth is not threatened by public scrutiny, but cowardly keyboard warriors today seem to think that the truth is some fragile princess that needs to be placed in an ivory tower to be protected. What these cowards are really admitting is that their fragile self-esteem needs to be protected. The truth laughs at their insecurity. When has the truth ever been threatened by a dissenting viewpoint?

Voat is being threatened by keyboard warriors who wish to enact policies that they REFUSE to put under public scrutiny. Imagine if we were live debating all these issues. It would be simple to come to a conclusion because we could hear from both sides at once. And that's the entire point of live debate--to challenge each other's views to test their trustworthiness.

If one side gives a separate speech and the other side gives a separate speech, nothing is ever accomplished because there is no challenge to each other's ideas. The only way to get to the truth is to pit ideas AGAINST each other like battle bots. We want to see which ideas sink and which ideas swim. But that can't be accomplished in the vacuum of a delusional keyboard warrior's childish mind. It can only be accomplished when all ideas are judged as harshly as possible in a PUBLIC setting. We've already seen how easily mods can censor and remove ideas behind the keyboard, but this is impossible during a live debate. You must show cause during a live debate otherwise your ideas die on the examination floor. They are no longer protected by your feelings alone as they can be while hiding behind the keyboard.

Voat is suffering from a lack of public scrutiny even though every conclusion is pointing towards MORE scrutiny. The only way mod abuse can occur is if we allow these cowardly faggots to hide their policies behind their keyboards instead of bringing them out in the open and having them challenged and examined for deficiencies. When ideas compete, the good ones become apparent very quickly. When ideas are separated and rely on propaganda and demonizing the opposition to survive, such ideas can never really be trusted.

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[–] L0w_Key_Lyesmith 7 points 19 points (+26|-7) ago 

Currently there are no defaults. I just registered and was subscribed to nothing (and offered to browse most popular subverses).

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[–] 6double5321 3 points 39 points (+42|-3) ago  (edited ago)

https://veuwer.com/i/329c.png See those words in grey? Those are the "defaults." You don't have to subscribe. They are there, unless you overwrite them in custom options.

EDIT: nice, 32 minute old account. :o)

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[–] aboutillegals 4 points 15 points (+19|-4) ago 

And it should stay that way, default subs are pointless and just direct traffic towards already large subs, and are a barrier for organically growing subs to get attention and traction.

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[–] blackblarneystone 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

why?

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[–] Arkhound 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Or the community itself should have more control over the default subs instead of a single person or few people. Even if it's just being able to topple a moderator out of their position.