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[–] fightforthehive 10 points 1124 points (+1134|-10) ago  (edited ago)

Thank you for listening to community. It gives me great hope about the future of the site.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 6 points 240 points (+246|-6) ago 

I feel like we have a chance to break the endless cycle of corporitization and sanitization constructed by Digg and Reddit. Atko and Puttitout are very strong tools for building the social network that we want.

We love you, guys.

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[–] ThizzBoss 5 points 112 points (+117|-5) ago 

eventually he's going to want to get paid. Everyone wants to make money off their work and get rich young.

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[–] Sullysq 3 points 40 points (+43|-3) ago 

Did you just call Atko and puttitout tools?

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[–] Bobfish_Almighty 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's almost like...not being a dick to your users is actually easy and rewarding or something

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[–] corprat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

...for now

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[–] turbotuck 1 points 131 points (+132|-1) ago 

/u/atko is doing a great job so far, let's hope this becomes the norm.

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[–] Turbo_Sloth 2 points 80 points (+82|-2) ago 

/u/atko I know you might not be perfect, and that's okay. You're trying your best and listening to the community and for that I commend you and this great site

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[–] Kabuthunk 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Listening to the community, I like it.

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[–] Bathroom_Humor 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Indeed. And on that note, he doesn't need to apologize for anything IMO. He was doing what he thought would make us happier, saw that it might not work, and reversed course. That's not worth being mad at him over.

I'm sure eventually you guys will find a solution to the issues we face, Atko. You have a lot of suggestions to worth with! Maybe separate agree/disagree and mod point buttons won't be the best thing but SOMETHING will work better than what we currently have, I'm sure of it.

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[–] Pryce604 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yes. Thank you @Atko for what you do. Everyone here appreciates it very much!

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[–] Liker 3 points 377 points (+380|-3) ago 

Atko, unlike reddit actually listened to what we wanted. And for that I thank you.

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[–] Sinful_Casshern 3 points 128 points (+131|-3) ago 

Hey now, reddit still listens to what putin wants. That counts for something...

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[–] JustWonderful 2 points 33 points (+35|-2) ago 

Don't forget to Heil Merkel!

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[–] Craftkorb 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

So, Putin is the community? That's deep man.

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[–] Scandinavian 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Hey, Reddit also listens to the no-income, no-ad-revenue-generating Tumblerinas that ruined the place to begin with.

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[–] Aathroser 0 points 38 points (+38|-0) ago 

A site that listens to its users and content creators will survive. One that listens to the advertisers and ignores its content creators, however...

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[–] Makingbaconpancakes 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Not only did he listen. He acted on it...within 24 hours. Dude is killing it.

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[–] miistahmojo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

...and he didn't even mention popcorn!

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[–] daviddave 5 points 293 points (+298|-5) ago 

Holy shit! this is how you run a website :D

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[–] Kwisatz_Haderach 2 points 84 points (+86|-2) ago 

It's refreshing, isn't it?

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[–] Zebezian 2 points 29 points (+31|-2) ago 

Yep. Makes me want to spam F5 like a madman. :P

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[–] Sha 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Incredibly refreshing. I am glad to see a website listen to its community like this.

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[–] giroth 2 points 27 points (+29|-2) ago 

Seriously, props to admins.

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[–] NeedleInAHaystack 0 points 59 points (+59|-0) ago 

It encourages participation in discussion. I think that's why most people like it.

It also makes you earn the ability/responsibility of downvoating.

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[–] Koala_Tamer 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Yeah i think its a little intimidating for new users. Just yesterday I was enjoying actually being able to upvoat people, and as someone who has always been a lurker its removed what little ability I would've used to contribute.

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[–] Just_A_Human 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We have to keep trying new things until we find something that works. the problem with human society is that everyone is incredibly adverse to change and adapting to new situations, even in the name of finding a better way of life.

We became the dominate species because of our ability to adapt to environments around us, let us hope we never lose this.

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[–] NinjaPoolboy 7 points -3 points (+4|-7) ago 

How do you know that the decision was "not the best?" There was no time to test it out. THIS IS NOT REDDIT and also, Reddit became crappy AFTER they initiated the SAME rule.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 3 points 132 points (+135|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Oh my god thank you.

I would hug you but I'm like 1000 miles away.

Best. Admin. Ever.

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[–] akuta 2 points 46 points (+48|-2) ago 

BAE?

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 2 points 36 points (+38|-2) ago 

BÆ.

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[–] Kleyno 3 points 18 points (+21|-3) ago 

But... but Amalek. He now has reasons to post his censorship spam again.

Meh, I'll still take this. Best system we have right now. But those wonder twins behind the code will find a better one in due course.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

It's the best we've got now, besides at least it prevents Amalek from downvoating.

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[–] blastar 12 points 108 points (+120|-12) ago 

There go my downvoating rights again. Well, I haven't downvoated anything anyway, since I encountered nothing worth doing that.

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[–] Seansean 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I agree . I feel sad for not having the option to downvote again, but I haven't found any content I felt like that was warranted . I found some excellent articles that I wish I could upvote more than once.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 20 points 5 points (+25|-20) ago 

Here, I'll help.

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[–] TheBuddha 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

And this is sort of why the rule was changed in the first place. Giving points to enable people to voat, instead of them earning them via actual contributions, is what was seen as the problem.

Meh... I am not in a position where I care but I can see why Atko would object.

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[–] Powie 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Like downvoting on youtube >_>

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[–] sweetholymosiah 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Are people downvoting you just for kicks? like wtf...

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[–] aikidoka 6 points 67 points (+73|-6) ago 

lol, 5 months on the site; I currently sit at 15CCP, and cannot downvote the truly shitty useless posts... I occasionally post a comment, but just not an everyday thing.

I think some form of balance could be found. I like that you're working on the issues that do exist for those of us who aren't in the standard voat use case. But I do agree with the general sentiment that a downvote ≠ disagree.

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[–] dante2025 3 points 20 points (+23|-3) ago  (edited ago)

If you don't participate in the community then you shouldn't be able to downvoat opinions you find "shitty." If you lurk, then lurk. If you want to be able to participate then contribute to the discussion. I've been here about a month and have well over 200 CCP. It's not hard to do.

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[–] 9ac504b832 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

But our upvotes are good enough? I'll be honest, I kind of resent you saying people like us don't participate, when I've been nothing but supportive of people. We're not lurking, we're just keeping our dumb opinions to ourselves (mostly).

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[–] cfl1 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Comment downvotes and post downvotes are quite different.

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[–] aikidoka 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

wow, ok. I am busy with my life instead of the being in front of my laptop 24/7. And I was talking about posts or links to content not comments.

I like user sourced sites to read interesting content, and not everything that's posted is quality.

For example, when a heavily biased article (either direction) makes its way on to /v/politics and adds nothing to the conversation; I consider that a shitty post; There was one exactly like that yesterday, the only thing I have been able to down vote, and it wasn't an OpEd either. I like my "reporting" to be, what journalism used to be, well written and presented with both sides of the story as available at the time of publishing. Think about the crazy OpEd things that happened in the news surrounding that CEOs dismissal... not good reporting and not ethical at all. We should be making informed decisions based on neutral information, not the crazy MSNBC/FOX group think we get now that influences ideas and thoughts. Look to the SJWs and the crazy "liberty"/tea party folks for extreme examples of that byproduct.

/steps off soapbox

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[–] Hand-Banana 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

I fully expect to NEVER be able to downvote.... Even if you get 100ccp it goes down. You either have to be super popular, super active or just create a ton of accounts and upvote yourself. At least fewer people can go through your history and sage your posts.

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[–] gattaca 8 points 13 points (+21|-8) ago 

The 100 point downvoat thing is what discouages me from participating on voat, no one likes to be told they are not leet enough to participate snd this includes downvoating obvious spam. You want my content and participation, don't insult me by forcing me into the kiddy pool.

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[–] NinjaPoolboy 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Ya me too. If upvoats are for Agreements downvoats MUST be for Disagreements or else the system is really fucked up. Which it is. I personally think this "no downvoating disagreements" thing was part of the SJW strategy that killed reddit.

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[–] calyxa 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

"Obvious spam" should be REPORTED not downvoated.

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[–] whisky_cat 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Wait, you're being forced? Please explain.

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[–] I_EAT_THOUGHTS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Down voats aren't "participation" - commenting and contributing are. Down voats exist only to identify posts that don't contribute to the discussion at hand. Maybe the poster didn't read the article, maybe they didn't understand the comment they are replying to and are being negative. Regardless, if being able to tag those posts is more important to you than being able to discuss things with others, it's probably a good thing that you'll never be able to do it.

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[–] PuttItOut 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Promote this guy for offering his opinion.

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[–] Farseli 0 points 56 points (+56|-0) ago 

And this is why I'm not worried about changes on Voat. It is clear that the community matters. Thank you /u/Atko.

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