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[–] Novius 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I still think we actually just need a separate "disagree" left/right-vote, that's displayed next to the vote but otherwise doesn't enter into any metrics. (Disagree|Agree[up]|Spam[down]) rather than (up|down). people want the effect of a disagree button, being visible number of dissatisfaction, and we should just concede that on our terms.

However, @EIMR is right and @Atko is making us more Reddit 2.0 and so less Voat.

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[–] glimmandenymf 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I don't want a disagree button. When someone think I'm wrong about something I want them to point out why or make a counter argument. A simple -1 doesn't lead anywhere.

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[–] Novius 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You cannot fight human nature, people are going to pick the cowards way out. Reddit admins get downvotes, circle jerks subverses form because of the -CCP got from disagreement from the consensus. I've not being an ideologue arguing for best of all worlds, I'm being pragmatic and not choosing to fight human nature. You make people work in large numbers by focusing their impulses into safe-zones, not be arguing with them as if they are a single person you can bring around eventually.

Please don't think I don't like your idea, I wish we could live in that world too. I'm just trying to live in this one, the world is going to be the world and we must all learn to live with that. Maybe I'm a pessimist falsely trying to make the great not the enemy of the good, but I think my plan will work?

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[–] EIMR 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

True, that is a problem, but right now I don't really think we are starving for comments. However, how about that for every 10 disagrees, you must post a comment?