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[–] EIMR 73 points 805 points (+878|-73) ago  (edited ago)

I don't like this. This stopped new groups from brigading and taught that downvoting is important, not to be used indiscriminately as a disagree button. I don't see anything good coming from this.

EDIT: @Atko , what will happen with subverses that decide to continue having the CCP Requirement? Will they still be out of v/All?

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[–] 12_Years_A_Toucan 8 points 106 points (+114|-8) ago 

They are working on a better system https://voat.co/v/voatdev/comments/413243

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[–] CowWithBeef 9 points 200 points (+209|-9) ago 

I would prefer if the new system was already in place before abandoning the old system. At least I got the joy of earning my first downvote.

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[–] Aaragon 4 points 63 points (+67|-4) ago 

It's at least reassuring to know that when they say they're working on a plan, they actually mean it.

While I don't like the change right now, I have faith that they will make things right.

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[–] eneerg 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

people are so fucking stupid. this is simple. just create an upvoat button and get rid of the downvoat button. it will help people focus on what they WANT instead of making them focus on what they don't want. complaining is always easier than doing something about it. an upvoat says you are shaping voat to become what you want it to become. a downvoat merely means that you're complaining about something that bothers you. but if that bothersome thing is removed, you STILL have nothing if you don't say what you actually WANT.

plus we all know the brigading has started with the downvoat button. we see it all the time on reddit. and we act like it won't happen on here. it's fucking idiocy. if you want to give people a downvoat button, make them EARN IT by contributing heavily to the site. and limit the amount of downvoats they get to ONE per day.

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[–] BrianFellow 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's almost as though unlimited registrations are a constant source of problems, and make eliminating brigading and shilling almost impossible.

If it were an actual invite system, then a system could easily be developed to eliminate whole groups of shills and brigades all at once, as the invites will link them together.

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[–] Aaragon 9 points 76 points (+85|-9) ago 

Yea, the only good part is you can see how volatile the user is on their profile, meaning their downgoats are viewable by all.

Still it's a shame. I feel like the quality of this site, and discussions are going to go down quite a bit.

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[–] fancypantsmanface 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

But now people will see how much you downvoat amalek without context!!! =(

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[–] kgb 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And even downvoats aren't enough to get a good idea of how the user voats. For example, I've made quite a few downvoats, but at least 90% of those were for downvoating spammers and trolls.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Multiple subverses had "please upvote me" threads where their members were able to gain 300+ CCP in matter of hours. At the same time, regular users would need MONTHS to reach this level. Don't you see a problem with that?

All subs with minimum CCP requirement will not show up in /v/all. Homer explained it well here.

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[–] frankenmine 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Sure, that's a problem. The proper solution is to ban subs and users who manipulate votes, not abolish the system.

We don't make murder legal just because a small number of people violate the laws against murder. We punish the violators. You should do likewise here.

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[–] EIMR 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I do see a problem with vote manipulation, however, nowadays obtaining CCP is extremely easy. My parent comment has like 130 points at the moment. And if that is 100 CCP is too much, the quantity could be reduced to 50.

And yes, I've read Homer's after my edit and I understand. My main concern is how to discover new subs with restrictions, as I(and possibly many) discover new subs by seeing their posts on All.

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[–] HowAboutShutUp 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What about something like requiring someone to provide a brief explanation why in order to downvote something?

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[–] Novius 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I still think we actually just need a separate "disagree" left/right-vote, that's displayed next to the vote but otherwise doesn't enter into any metrics. (Disagree|Agree[up]|Spam[down]) rather than (up|down). people want the effect of a disagree button, being visible number of dissatisfaction, and we should just concede that on our terms.

However, @EIMR is right and @Atko is making us more Reddit 2.0 and so less Voat.

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[–] glimmandenymf 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I don't want a disagree button. When someone think I'm wrong about something I want them to point out why or make a counter argument. A simple -1 doesn't lead anywhere.