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[–] absurdlyobfuscated 0 points 65 points (+65|-0) ago 

I like the general idea. My concern, however, is that people will try to shotgun low-effort fluff in order to get votes, the kind of junk that you see on reddit all the time - memes, buzzfeed-esque titles, reaction GIFs, etc. Determining what's quality content shouldn't necessarily be based on up or down votes or what the community thinks of it, it should be carefully moderated. That part seems essential for this to work.

Other than that, I was wondering if we can sign up but still remain pseudoanonymous. I'd prefer not to give out my name or address to anyone, even though I'd trust you more than 99% of sites out there on the internet. Also, should there be a state or zip code field, or where should that go?

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago 

You are welcome to remain fully anonymous and request payments via bitcoin, but as we may be issuing stock certificates (certificate of stock) to people that sign up early as partners and follow up on our initial proposal, you may miss out on getting your cut of WhoaVerse stock. More information on this will follow soon in a press release.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Oh my god this sounds amazing. You guys are reddit on crack.

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[–] Hakb404 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If this opens up again, i would be in.

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[–] mHtt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hey Atko, any idea when the next wave of registrations will be, I'm stoked to start uploading content and sharing the good vibes! thanks dude :)

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[–] Goonism101 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is genius. It's crazy no one or at least I don't know of anyone doing what you are proposing. It's like how Youtube rewards the people who run their own channels... Could the same be done for people/mods who help run their own subverse?

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[–] R15K 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Atko, as a former paid marketer, I hope that you heed the first part of this statement as it is solid advice. We were encouraged to do more low-effort stuff like .gifs and memes as it was more economical then long, thought out posts that needed research and effort.

Presumably you will be the one to control the content so you need to be clear and concise with what you want to pay for through submission approvals/strict moderation at least in the beginning, after awhile it will be self-sustaining in that aspect though and you should only have to provide guidance.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

We are working on setting up a partner hub where we will publish all the details of our partnership system. There are many aspects of our partnership program that need to be worked out and we are very open to ideas. From what we've got so far, I can say that there will be some sort of manual payment approval process for submissions and comments. I am sure some people will do their best to game the system, so this is where our staff comes in. For example, if there are hundreds of comments on a submission saying "repost" and our staff confirms that the submission is in fact a repost, regardless of how many upvotes it received, the submission will not be included in payment calculation.

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[–] Nima 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

My concern, however, is that people will try to shotgun low-effort fluff in order to get votes, the kind of junk that you see on reddit all the time - memes, buzzfeed-esque titles, reaction GIFs, etc. Determining what's quality content shouldn't necessarily be based on up or down votes or what the community thinks of it, it should be carefully moderated. That part seems essential for this to work.

I think I may have a solution. What if only text-based comments and posts are eligible for this program?

Hear me out: links, pictures, etc. are rarely made by the original creator. Those that aren't posting original content and are just reposting links don't deserve anything.

HOWEVER, those that ARE posting original content will discuss it with the community in the comments. This encourages communication between the community and those that make quality content. In this way, we could EVEN allow companies to talk to and market to our community. They'd be grilled like fat bratwurst by the community if they're shady or untruthful, and they'll be compelled to respond to direct feedback, etc.

I think text-based content should really be the only think eligible for the partner program, because it easily solves a lot of problems in one fell swoop.

Side note: I think every single dollar should be broken up between the user, a charity, and Voat itself. How it's split, I don't know.

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[–] dumbyoyo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I thought the same thing about text posts/submissions, and wondered why you can't actually get real karma from them on reddit. But there's a good reason why they made that decision. You can read it here: http://www.brentcsutoras.com/2008/07/29/reddit-kills-karma-in-self-submissions/

Only allowing rewards for text/self posts doesn't solve as many problems as it seems. Link posts generate much more clickthroughs and site traffic, since it takes a lot less time and effort for a user to open a picture for a second than to read through a post. Because of this, link posts are gonna be more valuable to the website in terms of making money and adding value (for voat), which is probably why they're doing this partner thing in the first place (rewarding users for making their site valuable). Also, only allowing text posts in this program eliminates a very large portion of original content. Most people's creations aren't just text based. And most users aren't interested in only viewing text content.

Although I agree that text-based content should be included (as it sounds like it is).

(actually from the post details it sounds like only comments and votes are included, which is kinda weird, but i guess easier to verify for OC).

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[–] fuckreddit1 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

While I agree with you, i think thats the whole point of up/down votes is that crap will not be rewarded. Let the community at whoaverse decide what is good and what is not. But second the anonoymous and bitcoin response.

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[–] absurdlyobfuscated 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

But unfortunately, crap often is rewarded. Take a look at /r/funny on reddit. Look at /r/AdviceAnimals. I think most of that is crap, and the community is still happy to upvote it. It happens with any site when the audience gets large enough and the number of submissions increases to the point where everyone is competing for views and upvotes, and where the fluff and easily digestible stuff inevitably starts getting upvoted at a higher rate. As I recall, the subreddits that just let the community decide what's best with votes ended up being some of the worst. There are hundreds of posts about this on /r/TheoryOfReddit that can explain it better than I ever could.

Anyway, just my two cents and why I think it's crucial to have careful moderation for this.

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[–] AssuredlyAThrowAway 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

If this model is successful you will have revolutionized news aggregates. Nice work Atko!

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

"Without change there is no innovation, creativity, or incentive for improvement. Those who initiate change will have a better opportunity to manage the change that is inevitable." -William Pollard

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[–] gamehelp16 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

This is like YouTube monetization for me

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Do you get paid to write quality comments which spark discussion on YouTube? No sir. This is better :)

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[–] gamehelp16 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No, but you get paid from making videos :)

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[–] lastresort09 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Great experimental idea. However, if things don't work out with this program, do feel free to discontinue the service, rather than continue it just because we have been doing it for a while. I really do want this site to be popular and stay popular.

Is quality dictated by whoavians? If so, just be weary of hivemind that can be created because of this.

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I hate hiveminds. They suck so much.

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[–] Slug 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I have some misgivings about this program, but I'd really like to see how it pans out. It will either greatly improve the site by encouraging quality content, or turn it into a big, steaming mess of clickbaity links and worthless comments. I really, really hope it's the former!

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[–] Doge 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

neat! I was wondering when we were gonna get more info on this!

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[–] OrShUnderscore 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Aww man! this link takes me here.

hwhat. Oh well. I kind of really love how nice this service or website or whatever you want to call it works on my phone. You almost don't even need an app.

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[–] spencerflem 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think it would be nice to put all users by default into the program and show on their personal user page how much they have earned and from there they can decide if it's worth giving out their address later.

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[–] Atko [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Good idea, that would be great to have. The process will be semi-manual at first so this will be impossible to do for all users, but we may build something later that shows everyone their approximate earning.

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