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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 1 points 32 points (+33|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Will Amalek, SGIS, and his/their alts still be banned?

The way I see it, if negative CCP no longer rate limits accounts, the only thing keeping subverses clear will be moderator action. We've seen what overactive mods did to Reddit.

Even in this thread one of his alts (-448, and he's earned a net negative of CCP in the thousands) is celebrating the cessation of limitations. Consider too that people who wish to detract from a free speech forum are most likely going to have time and resources that casual users will not; they can operate dozens of accounts (as we've seen in Amalek's case), either because they're multiple individuals or because he's a spergelord who goes through manic episodes.

If one earns a punishment, is that really an undeserved limitation?

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

I don't want to ban anyone. I'd rather have a universal system in place that governs all users equally.

Voat will continue banning spamming accounts and spammed domains.

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[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There is an ignore/block function that could be used to also cut-down on the spam. There are multiple ways it could be used as such. There could be a "default" ignored group which is just individuals who have been ignored/blocked by the vast majority of regular users which could be optionally toggled off in the account settings if one so chooses.

There could also be "ignore" sets that could be "subscribed" to that could be curated by mods/admins.

I think the best option is allowing the individual user to have the maximum control over the content they wish to see without having to censor the content from others who just may wish to see it.

This would be a hands-off method of dealing with spam which allows for the most personal freedom and keeps us away from the whole danger of authoritarian censorship.

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[–] teatime 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The only way to do that is to exclude human bias from the process. I see nothing wrong with a system that checks for specific keywords, CAPS, bold, large font, frequency of posts, and frequency of comments that determines if someone is spamming.

People make too many irrational decisions but machines don't care who you are or what your sob story is. A fair system doesn't include people.

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[–] glennvtx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

In addition to a "spam button" we could enable sub owners to have the option of +V people, akin to IRC. Only users "voiced" could post in that particular sub.

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[–] Andalusian1 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Mods can be held accountable for banning/removing comments of non-spam. We wouldnt need this if people only dv'ed spam and not dv'ed people they disagreed with.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

This brings up a good point.

We have a report feature now that is under utilized.

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[–] VieBleu 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It takes a lot of work to hold mods accountable, often with negligible results. Work to the point of unreasonable burden. At least at the PG forum, this has been the experience.

EDIT to add - Here is a thread that overwhelmingly shows the community calling for a minimum of 100 points to comment, due to the level of shill attacks on the forum. https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2030995

The mods are fully aware of this vote, yet take no steps to implement change or even address it. Just a massive shoulder shrug and a return to their pizza party.

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[–] Tor1 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

SCR you are bringing up a very important issue.

There are worst things at Voat than spammers.

Spammers have been around forever, there are all kinds of tried and true ways to deal with them. The only decision is one of cost benefit. How much spam are you willing to tolerate.

The majority of the internet see us as an enemy. If policies are changed so they can come here and attack Voat easier. It won't be long before they do so in droves. Current Voat users who value this forum could quickly find themselves in the minority here.

If the defensive tools in place are subject to some kind of gun control and confiscated in the name of free speech idealism, who knows what would happen.

Another user who is more damaging than spammers is the Amalek Sane Goat spergelord.

The important issue isn't whether there's any kind of punishment. But whether your peaceful Mom and Pop users are free to navigate the subverse paths of Voat freely.

Already there is leftist mobisms of all sorts that constantly erupt from time to time.

Don't repost that. Don't link to the New York Times. Don't use imgur. Don't mention Reddit. Don't use YouTube use HookTube. Use archive don't directly link to certain sites. Don't post a girl with boobs spilling out of her swimsuit with out an NSFW tag. And on and on.

These are all valid arguments, but the way they are constantly shoved in everyone's faces is not warranted. For most users, it degrades the utility and enjoyment of the site.

Look at how everytime Putt comments he hears about Discord. Or sob stories about free speech being limited. Maybe Putt just wanted to use the site to talk about his golf game or his struggles with the site.

Does it make sense that no one can have a moments peace, without some spergelord getting hysterical about whatever issue he sees as of vital defcon 5 level immediate action and sitewide concern.

I don't see why anyone needs to be banned right now. It seems like things are pretty good for the most part. The only problem I see is there isn't as much good content in v/all as there could be. But isn't that always the case?

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[–] Schlomo_Kikenburger 9 points -2 points (+7|-9) ago 

Everyone in the negatives isnt the same person nigger. You leave this emotional comment with no proof, simply because you don't like anyone who doesn't agree with you.

And speaking of sperging, that is a lot of projection. I can screen shot the multiple daily submission and comment pings from SBBH users and kevdude and hecho that has been going on for awhile now. I dont even respond but they still do it.