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[–] mispelledsomething 4 points 148 points (+152|-4) ago 

From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

Does downvoting a user who spams the same copypasta across different threads when you come across it count as brigading?

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[–] TheTrigger 3 points 96 points (+99|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Right?

While researching this problem, I noticed that no one is really innocent, meaning that we have both obvious farming/brigading going on but we also have this behavior from good solid users too.

Speak for yourself, putt-putt. I dindu nuffin, I's a good boy. I ain't steal no upvoats. Check my downvoats, I ain't doin' drive-bys. I'm just keepin' my head down, goin' to school to turn my life around.

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[–] Karbuster 6 points 27 points (+33|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Same here

About as close as I get to "brigading" is downvoating any imgur links I see and upvoating derram when he posts non-imgur rehosts

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[–] goblin_ghost 3 points 19 points (+22|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I'm personally just trying to get money to buy clothes so I can go to school. I'm also an aspiring rapper.

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[–] turtlesareNotevil 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Right. How can a person brigade by themselves? I down vote stuff I think is stupid and upvote stuff I think is smart. If others agree with me or don't what does that have to do with anything?

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[–] Artofchoke 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

I have one account.

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[–] ChillyHellion 1 points 60 points (+61|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm curious about this too. Especially if no one is innocent, maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general?

Or maybe he's saying that no definition of brigading leaves normal behavior untouched, so he's only going after egregious cases.

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[–] WeekendBaker 1 points 36 points (+37|-1) ago 

Agreed. Some sources are just shit. I have been down boating superstation95 or something everytime I see it because it is really poorly written, legitimate fake news, that gets spammed a lot.

Additionally I have been downvoating the SCP trolls ( 8000 SCP, 17 CCP) or copy Reddit's front page and highest rated comments... really blatantly. Example: "look what I got today" in post title and first comment is from same user saying "where did you get that?". I don't mind crosspoats from Reddit but that blatant farming pisses me off.

Hail Putt. Ave Goatimus, Semper Libre Vox.

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[–] you-are-me 5 points 34 points (+39|-5) ago  (edited ago)

maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general?

Exactly this.

Using a "commonly understood" but ill defined term to govern is the bane of all free peoples of earth.

Everyone understands what "brigading" means, of course! But, they each have their own definition of what that means in their head.

@puttitout should list specific examples of activities that will count as "vote manipulation" and "brigading" prior to sighting down the barrel of a gun as a "new sheriff in town". Otherwise, we risk a less extreme, but more dangerous version of SaneGoatiSwear cancer.

People will get pissed, say, "Awe come the fuck on, you let that other asshole get away with X and you ban me"? Then they'll lash out against new rules they feel are unfair, purposefully breaking them this time, reinforcing your flawed belief that they were trolls in the first place. Others will take sides and contribute. Troll-spiral is a hell of a drug.

I support putt's actions thus far, proven smart as fuck for not pulling a SaneGoat and sperging out, banning all the minor bullshit no one has a right to be "pissed off" about. We're not guilty of shit, I'm not buying that. You don't label a lawless town "guilty" because people had to defend themselves when there was no sheriff. It's a shitty place to be, but that's just the way it is.

Vigilante justice can be just IRL even if the "law" gets broken to do it. If the Sheriff wants to prevent that then fix this shit:

  1. No well defined explicit rules to break in the first place.
  2. The place became the wild wild west w/o a Sheriff.

For example, and I keep coming back to this, because it's topical and obvious, not because I give a damn: If your moral convictions keep you from demodding or banning the shit out of a troll like SaneGoatiSwear, when there's ample evidence of modabuse, then you have absolutely zero right to get "pissed off" when other people resort to whatever minor means they have available and combat the fuckery, because admins let it continue, and appointed the trouble making reeeeeetard in the first place.

For the sake of argument let's say you pissed off SaneGoat and they went through and downvoated your entire comment history without reading them (hey, if the comments were actually read, then I wouldn't take issue look at the size of this bitch, amirite?) That shit's been going on and it seems like it's not ending soon. So, you create an alt and upvoat your own comment history, a single time on each comment. Is that vote manipulation? Or is that vote correction? Is it a bannable offense?

Is there grievance process to follow so that your extensive staff can handle each little foible prior to the users taking any retaliatory action of their own. Or, is it better to not need that staff, or very strict rules, and let goats handle their biznazz, while your limited staff only handles exceptional cases? Because if you've agreed to the latter, then we're not guilty, we're just on board with your program. Only the exceptional cases are worth being "pissed off" about.

What if you raise awareness about some obvious asshattery going on and that creates public consensus that a user is a shithead and lots of people organically downvoat them. Is that brigading? Calling a town meeting is not illegal even in towns where there are sheriffs, see. And you might not know this, but in the USA citizens can call a Grand Jury all on their own, without using any of the court system, and hold a trial, and carry out sentencing, all without the government getting involved. We don't because there are dedicated courts IRL, but in a strange frontier cyberland, you might want to re-think your conception of what "brigading" means, because there are no courts here.

Besides that, the community doesn't belong to you putt. Without us you are nothing. You may be maintainer, and operator, and for that we're grateful, but the community belongs to us, we created a lot of it somewhere else and took care to bring it here, and we'll take it with us if we leave. So, if the community says, "The gods have forsaken us! Our prayers go unanswered! We must do something ourselves", then that's actually our right to do that. The role of such a cybergod is to respond to the will of the volk, bringing righteous lightning from on high if the people cry out and the need is great enough to summon you. You can be a vengeful god and lay the smack down however you want, or an indifferent god who ignores the community's wishes, but in those cases that just means people will say, "Bad Deity, No Universe," and stop believing in you.

Not adopting "we're all guilty". That's projection. Personally, I think: Talk is cheap, let's see some action. Till then, I don't give a flying fuck if there are over nine thousand Sheriffs in town.

TL;DR: Fuck the police. There are no clearly defined rules to follow. Come at me bro. If we must break the rules to define them, so be it.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

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[–] DoomMantia 1 points 35 points (+36|-1) ago 

a user who spams the same copypasta across different threads

@VoatIsForNiggers comes to mind. Literally the only thing it ever posts is the word "Niggers" everywhere, either as a comment or as a submission title.

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[–] mispelledsomething 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

Basically, yeah. Or someone who posts a mile long about how Voat is dying in unrelated posts or posts that require mental gymnastics to make them related.

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[–] Islamiscancer 5 points 8 points (+13|-5) ago  (edited ago)

With most of Voats particular flavour contemt, Niggers can simply sum up the issue in a single word.

Riots in DC? Niggers.

European Migfant Crisis? Niggers.

Rape and Murder? Niggers.

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[–] WeekendBaker 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Oddly enough, some of his comments have positive CCP. I think it's a a really interesting account as a social experiment... like brojobs... but joke is old by now and needs to go.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Pretty sure he's a joke account.

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[–] TheodoreKent 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

I'm going to brigade @puttitout's account, just to see if he is serious or not.

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[–] mispelledsomething 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I don't think I've seen putt spamming copypasta all over the place...

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[–] adsnell2004 0 points 82 points (+82|-0) ago 

From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned

What is brigading another users content. I don't get what this means?

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[–] 8005107 1 points 52 points (+53|-1) ago 

@PuttItOut

This is a good point, can we get a clear definition of brigading so people can make sure they don't do it?

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 2 points 75 points (+77|-2) ago 

Yes, I will provide more info on this before I initiate any further bans for this reason.

It is not my intention to ban anyone but those that are abusing the system for malicious reasons.

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[–] 8005273 0 points 64 points (+64|-0) ago 

It needs to be VERY CLEARLY DEFINED. Reddit uses this as justification to ban anyone they dislike because nobody knows what brigade is.

For example, I lost one reddit account after some dude spammed hundreds of comments to me and I downvoted them from his userpage instead of each thread. I don't think any sane person would consider voting on a reply to your comments to be brigading.

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[–] 8005161 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

My worthless interpretation would be looking at someone's profile and downvoting everything in sight because you were triggered. (i.e. being a faggot).

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[–] adsnell2004 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

I don't do any of this but this doesn't settle well with me right now...

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[–] Scrapco 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Ehh, I don't know. I've had comments that people didn't like, and they've downvoted a user page's worth of comments. I don't think that should be bannable though, it's just dumb. There's already a 10 per day restriction, no? Guess not!

So is it brigading if more than one person gets triggered by that comment and downvotes a bunch? That's happened too. Not sure I'm in favor of that either. But how do you tell the difference between that and people communicating to each other, "hey, this guy's a tool, let's wreck his imaginary points?"

Putt knows! :-D Guess we'll find out soon enough.

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[–] GoogleStoleMyBike 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

I would imagine this means using alts to downvoat someone multiple times.

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[–] Sheilaaliens 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Ya. Just happened to me, and they made sure to put me to below to 100 comment points threshold so I can't downvote anybody. Not that I do it a whole lot anyway, but what a bitchy faggot move.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 4 points 40 points (+44|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Can you speak to whether anti-free-speech mod behavior is permissible in very popular but non-system-owned subs? Such as /v/TIL. Mass deletions, mass banning, rules for the users but not for the mod, etc. Similar to what @She was doing.

Also, what constitutes brigading? Subverses targeting another subverse? Alts used for voting? Or what about when someone goes through your comment history and downvotes everything?

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[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 7 points 36 points (+43|-7) ago 

You are like the Trump of voat.

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[–] Foralltoosee 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago 

We really hope he won't fuck it up over the next four years, but we're fairly confident everything will be fine?

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[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago  (edited ago)

And he is a billionaire who wrote 'The Art of the Voat.'

Seriously, the changes he is pushing are like the bullet points in that book.

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[–] Broc_Lia 7 points 4 points (+11|-7) ago 

He's big into domestic spying and civil asset forfeiture? :p

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[–] Mick 9 points 32 points (+41|-9) ago 

Meh, they're just points. Congrats on the stable update.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Yeah, but they affect which comments get seen and which get buried. Users like sanegoatiswear abuse this to push their content to the top and bury what they don't like.

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[–] Mick 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

This is talking about losing points because of the update. I don't care about that, I gave up 30 000 points to get Mick back.

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[–] kytha 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

Just curious about other people's thoughts on archiving submissions? It always annoyed me when I couldn't comment or vote on older posts on that other site..Especially three months is not a long period of time at all.

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[–] 8005504 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

I don't like it, but it's usually the result of technical and costs restraints. Once you put a post in a read-only archived it becomes much cheaper to host.

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[–] Plavonica 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

I would rather they get deleted after 3 months. Have exceptions for specially marked posts of course.

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[–] thrus 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

The thing is that most of us are not going to go back and rejoin a discussion from then and most are never even going to see it again, unless some search results bring it up.

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[–] smokratez 5 points 23 points (+28|-5) ago 

From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

So if I down vote every submission made by Hpoop I will be banned?

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[–] fagnig 1 points 33 points (+34|-1) ago 

Ive mass upvoted a user who was being mass downvoted, im also curious if this is bannable.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 4 points 9 points (+13|-4) ago 

I have an idea: GET RID OF THE FUCKING UP AND DOWNVOTES AND LET A GODDAMN CONVERSATION HAPPEN, FOR THE SWEET EVERLOVING MOTHER OF FUCK. Copypasta time.

There is one main difference between Reddit and /pol/: equality.

On Reddit, you are forced to make a username to contribute. While you don’t have to connect it to an e-mail, you have to do so to comment more than once per few minutes. So, really, you have to connect it to an e-mail. This creates an identity that a user develops over time and craves to make “important.”

All the individual identities on Reddit crave one thing: Upvotes–for comments and posts. This means that a Reddit user is willing to sell a part of who they really are in the quest for more positive votes. This identity is no longer a true representation of who they really are (were). It is a pseudo-reality that only exists in the world of Reddit. Their ideas, comments, postings, and even language has been influenced and changed all for the sake of the coveted upward pointed arrow.

/pol/ is void of this. I can be who I want to be, post what I want to post, and say what I want to say without having to think about what you fucks think. Your opinions don’t do anything. /pol/ has given other users no way to devalue my identity. Reddit, by its nature, explicitly gives other users a way to devalue who and what you really are, what you really think, and what you really want to say. Reddit, while claiming to be for “content,” is really against it. One poster on Reddit even showed a part in the basic coding of Reddit’s popularity system where votes over time earn the “front page” status quickly. What gets looked at more over a short period of time: the interesting post about something everyone should know, or some stupid fucking cat? The cat, because it’s easier to see, easier to read, and easier to process. It’s a joke.

Sure, Reddit has some positives, but it all boils down to this: Reddit allows other users to have the power to alter your way of thinking for the sake of favor among them. /pol/ does not. Oh, and one more thing. Reddit’s administrators censor and delete anything with which they do not agree. Not only are other users altering your beliefs, the site owners are, as well.

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[–] Ina_Pickle 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Could be. There's no way @Puttitout or his algorithms could know your intentions.

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[–] Artofchoke 4 points 2 points (+6|-4) ago 

I have upvoated sane goat fear nearly a year, for no reason other than to be a contrarian. 🐐

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[–] Mick 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

Yeah this needs clarification.

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[–] GetWithThePogrom 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Does this mean I could be for realsies banned if shitpost in SBBH?

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[–] Ina_Pickle 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

That's what he's threatening. Although it's not really fair in that case. HOPOOP's posts are usually always disgusting.

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[–] HeavyBrain 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Well that should be no problem if the block feature is put in place.

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[–] DerKatalog 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Just block her.

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[–] vault_boy 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

Thanks for the update @PuttItOut

Happy to see more improvements here :D

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[–] Chiefpacman 4 points 4 points (+8|-4) ago 

Make sure to leave an apple on his desk next time

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