Archived On Vote Manipulation + Other Updates (announcements)

submitted 1.5 years ago by PuttItOut

Today Voat pushed an update meant to address three things: Vote manipulation, Archiving Data, and Feature Prep. I will keep this announcement as short as possible.

Vote Manipulation

I have been researching vote farming and brigading for about a month. And honestly, I’m pissed off. What I have found is simply unacceptable. These actions destroy Voat’s credibility and value and will be actively developed against. The following actions have been taken to increase vote integrity:

Users no longer earn CCP in Private Subverses (Common farming technique)
Users no longer earn CCP in Subverses with Minimum Downvote values greater than zero (Common farming technique)
User deleted comments have their positive CCP removed (Common farming technique)

Archiving Data

Voat is now archiving old submissions (current set to 3 months).
Archived and Deleted Submissions, and their comments, can no longer be voted on.
Vote counts are using individual vote counts instead of the up/down totals on comments/submissions*
Users with High SCP/CCP should see an improvement accessing Voat when data isn’t in cache

* Please note that all point values will drop because of this new logic. Prior logic counted up/down totals on submissions and comments instead of the individual votes themselves (it was more performant this way). When a user deletes their account, their votes are removed but the up/down totals are not adjusted. Since new logic uses individual vote counts everyone’s points will be dropping unfortunately. Just heads up. @Atko was hit the worst of all, poor guy.

Future Feature Prep

Schema changes were made to prepare for the re-release of Sets (grouping of multiple subverses). Voat will begin set development next week as we have designed many upcoming features upon this basic structural concept including categorization, new user centric functionality (more info soon), expanded and more functional blocking capabilities, and the concept of “following” users who publish feeds (more info soon).
Naming conventions and indexing has been cleaned up in database.

Warning to Vote Brigadiers

I will shortly be banning hundreds of obvious alt accounts used to farm/brigade at Voat. While researching this problem, I noticed that no one is really innocent, meaning that we have both obvious farming/brigading going on but we also have this behavior from good solid users too. It is for this reason that I am not retroactively banning any accounts other than the obvious ones mentioned above.

From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

Consider this fair warning that brigading and manipulating votes is no longer tolerated at Voat.

There is a new Sheriff in town.

Canary Notice:

https://voat.co/v/announcements/1330806

Today Voat pushed an update meant to address three things: Vote manipulation, Archiving Data, and Feature Prep. I will keep this announcement as short as possible.

##Vote Manipulation

I have been researching vote farming and brigading for about a month. And honestly, I’m pissed off. What I have found is simply unacceptable. These actions destroy Voat’s credibility and value and will be actively developed against. The following actions have been taken to increase vote integrity:

* Users no longer earn CCP in Private Subverses (Common farming technique)
* Users no longer earn CCP in Subverses with Minimum Downvote values greater than zero (Common farming technique)
* User deleted comments have their positive CCP removed (Common farming technique)

##Archiving Data

* Voat is now archiving old submissions (current set to 3 months).
* Archived and Deleted Submissions, and their comments, can no longer be voted on.
* Vote counts are using individual vote counts instead of the up/down totals on comments/submissions*
* Users with High SCP/CCP should see an improvement accessing Voat when data isn’t in cache

\* Please note that all point values will drop because of this new logic. Prior logic counted up/down totals on submissions and comments instead of the individual votes themselves (it was more performant this way). When a user deletes their account, their votes are removed but the up/down totals are not adjusted. Since new logic uses individual vote counts everyone’s points will be dropping unfortunately. Just heads up. @Atko was hit the worst of all, poor guy.

##Future Feature Prep

* Schema changes were made to prepare for the re-release of Sets (grouping of multiple subverses). Voat will begin set development next week as we have designed many upcoming features upon this basic structural concept including categorization, new user centric functionality (more info soon), expanded and more functional blocking capabilities, and the concept of “following” users who publish feeds (more info soon). 
* Naming conventions and indexing has been cleaned up in database.

##Warning to Vote Brigadiers

I will shortly be banning hundreds of obvious alt accounts used to farm/brigade at Voat. While researching this problem, I noticed that no one is really innocent, meaning that we have both obvious farming/brigading going on but we also have this behavior from good solid users too. It is for this reason that I am not retroactively banning any accounts other than the obvious ones mentioned above. 

> From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

Consider this fair warning that brigading and manipulating votes is no longer tolerated at Voat. 

[There is a new Sheriff in town.]( https://imgoat.com/uploads/ccbc87e4b5/2300.PNG)

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###Canary Notice:

https://voat.co/v/announcements/1330806

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[–] mispelledsomething 4 points 148 points 152 points (+152|-4) 1.5 years ago

From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

Does downvoting a user who spams the same copypasta across different threads when you come across it count as brigading?

>From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

Does downvoting a user who spams the same copypasta across different threads when you come across it count as brigading?

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[–] TheTrigger 3 points 96 points 99 points (+99|-3) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

Right?

While researching this problem, I noticed that no one is really innocent, meaning that we have both obvious farming/brigading going on but we also have this behavior from good solid users too.

Speak for yourself, putt-putt. I dindu nuffin, I's a good boy. I ain't steal no upvoats. Check my downvoats, I ain't doin' drive-bys. I'm just keepin' my head down, goin' to school to turn my life around.

Right?

 > While researching this problem, I noticed that no one is really innocent, meaning that we have both obvious farming/brigading going on but we also have this behavior from good solid users too.

Speak for yourself, putt-putt. I dindu nuffin, I's a good boy. I ain't steal no upvoats. Check my downvoats, I ain't doin' drive-bys. I'm just keepin' my head down, goin' to school to turn my life around.

[–] Karbuster 6 points 27 points 33 points (+33|-6) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

Same here

About as close as I get to "brigading" is downvoating any imgur links I see and upvoating derram when he posts non-imgur rehosts

Same here

About as close as I get to "brigading" is downvoating any imgur links I see and upvoating derram when he posts non-imgur rehosts

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[–] goblin_ghost 3 points 19 points 22 points (+22|-3) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

I'm personally just trying to get money to buy clothes so I can go to school. I'm also an aspiring rapper.

I'm personally just trying to get money to buy clothes so I can go to school. I'm also an aspiring rapper.

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[–] Artofchoke 1 points 9 points 10 points (+10|-1) 1.5 years ago

I have one account.

I have one account.

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[–] ChillyHellion 1 points 60 points 61 points (+61|-1) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

I'm curious about this too. Especially if no one is innocent, maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general?

Or maybe he's saying that no definition of brigading leaves normal behavior untouched, so he's only going after egregious cases.

I'm curious about this too. Especially if no one is innocent, maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general? 

Or maybe he's saying that no definition of brigading leaves normal behavior untouched, so he's only going after egregious cases.

[–] WeekendBaker 1 points 36 points 37 points (+37|-1) 1.5 years ago

Agreed. Some sources are just shit. I have been down boating superstation95 or something everytime I see it because it is really poorly written, legitimate fake news, that gets spammed a lot.

Additionally I have been downvoating the SCP trolls ( 8000 SCP, 17 CCP) or copy Reddit's front page and highest rated comments... really blatantly. Example: "look what I got today" in post title and first comment is from same user saying "where did you get that?". I don't mind crosspoats from Reddit but that blatant farming pisses me off.

Hail Putt. Ave Goatimus, Semper Libre Vox.

Agreed. Some sources are just shit. I have been down boating superstation95 or something everytime I see it because it is really poorly written, legitimate fake news, that gets spammed a lot. 

Additionally I have been downvoating the SCP trolls ( 8000 SCP, 17 CCP) or copy Reddit's front page and highest rated comments... really blatantly. Example: "look what I got today" in post title and first comment is from same user saying "where did you get that?". I don't mind crosspoats from Reddit but that blatant farming pisses me off.

Hail Putt. Ave Goatimus, Semper Libre Vox.

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[–] you-are-me 5 points 34 points 39 points (+39|-5) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general?

Exactly this.

Using a "commonly understood" but ill defined term to govern is the bane of all free peoples of earth.

Everyone understands what "brigading" means, of course! But, they each have their own definition of what that means in their head.

@puttitout should list specific examples of activities that will count as "vote manipulation" and "brigading" prior to sighting down the barrel of a gun as a "new sheriff in town". Otherwise, we risk a less extreme, but more dangerous version of SaneGoatiSwear cancer.

People will get pissed, say, "Awe come the fuck on, you let that other asshole get away with X and you ban me"? Then they'll lash out against new rules they feel are unfair, purposefully breaking them this time, reinforcing your flawed belief that they were trolls in the first place. Others will take sides and contribute. Troll-spiral is a hell of a drug.

I support putt's actions thus far, proven smart as fuck for not pulling a SaneGoat and sperging out, banning all the minor bullshit no one has a right to be "pissed off" about. We're not guilty of shit, I'm not buying that. You don't label a lawless town "guilty" because people had to defend themselves when there was no sheriff. It's a shitty place to be, but that's just the way it is.

Vigilante justice can be just IRL even if the "law" gets broken to do it. If the Sheriff wants to prevent that then fix this shit:

No well defined explicit rules to break in the first place.
The place became the wild wild west w/o a Sheriff.

For example, and I keep coming back to this, because it's topical and obvious, not because I give a damn: If your moral convictions keep you from demodding or banning the shit out of a troll like SaneGoatiSwear, when there's ample evidence of modabuse, then you have absolutely zero right to get "pissed off" when other people resort to whatever minor means they have available and combat the fuckery, because admins let it continue, and appointed the trouble making reeeeeetard in the first place.

For the sake of argument let's say you pissed off SaneGoat and they went through and downvoated your entire comment history without reading them (hey, if the comments were actually read, then I wouldn't take issue look at the size of this bitch, amirite?) That shit's been going on and it seems like it's not ending soon. So, you create an alt and upvoat your own comment history, a single time on each comment. Is that vote manipulation? Or is that vote correction? Is it a bannable offense?

Is there grievance process to follow so that your extensive staff can handle each little foible prior to the users taking any retaliatory action of their own. Or, is it better to not need that staff, or very strict rules, and let goats handle their biznazz, while your limited staff only handles exceptional cases? Because if you've agreed to the latter, then we're not guilty, we're just on board with your program. Only the exceptional cases are worth being "pissed off" about.

What if you raise awareness about some obvious asshattery going on and that creates public consensus that a user is a shithead and lots of people organically downvoat them. Is that brigading? Calling a town meeting is not illegal even in towns where there are sheriffs, see. And you might not know this, but in the USA citizens can call a Grand Jury all on their own, without using any of the court system, and hold a trial, and carry out sentencing, all without the government getting involved. We don't because there are dedicated courts IRL, but in a strange frontier cyberland, you might want to re-think your conception of what "brigading" means, because there are no courts here.

Besides that, the community doesn't belong to you putt. Without us you are nothing. You may be maintainer, and operator, and for that we're grateful, but the community belongs to us, we created a lot of it somewhere else and took care to bring it here, and we'll take it with us if we leave. So, if the community says, "The gods have forsaken us! Our prayers go unanswered! We must do something ourselves", then that's actually our right to do that. The role of such a cybergod is to respond to the will of the volk, bringing righteous lightning from on high if the people cry out and the need is great enough to summon you. You can be a vengeful god and lay the smack down however you want, or an indifferent god who ignores the community's wishes, but in those cases that just means people will say, "Bad Deity, No Universe," and stop believing in you.

Not adopting "we're all guilty". That's projection. Personally, I think: Talk is cheap, let's see some action. Till then, I don't give a flying fuck if there are over nine thousand Sheriffs in town.

TL;DR: Fuck the police. There are no clearly defined rules to follow. Come at me bro. If we must break the rules to define them, so be it.

> maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general?

Exactly this.

Using a "commonly understood" but ill defined term to govern is the bane of all free peoples of earth.

Everyone understands what "brigading" means, of course!  But, they each have their own definition of what that means in their head.

@puttitout should list specific examples of activities that will count as "vote manipulation" and "brigading" **prior** to sighting down the barrel of a gun as a "new sheriff in town".  Otherwise, we risk a less extreme, but more dangerous version of SaneGoatiSwear cancer.

People will get pissed, say, "Awe come the fuck on, you let that other asshole get away with X and you ban me"?   Then they'll lash out against new rules they feel are unfair, purposefully breaking them this time, reinforcing your flawed belief that they were trolls in the first place.  Others will take sides and contribute.  Troll-spiral is a hell of a drug.

I support putt's actions thus far, proven smart as fuck for not pulling a SaneGoat and sperging out, banning all the minor bullshit no one has a right to be "pissed off" about.  We're not guilty of shit, I'm not buying that.  You don't label a lawless town "guilty" because people had to defend themselves when there was no sheriff.  It's a shitty place to be, but that's just the way it is.

Vigilante justice can be just IRL even if the "law" gets broken to do it.  If the Sheriff wants to prevent that then fix this shit:

0. No well defined explicit rules to break in the first place.  
1. The place became the wild wild west w/o a Sheriff.

For example, and I keep coming back to this, because it's topical and obvious, not because I give a damn:  If your moral convictions keep you from demodding or banning the shit out of a troll like SaneGoatiSwear, when there's ample evidence of modabuse, then you have absolutely zero right to get "pissed off" when other people resort to whatever minor means they have available and combat the fuckery, because **admins** let it continue, and appointed the trouble making reeeeeetard in the first place.

For the sake of argument let's say you pissed off SaneGoat and they went through and downvoated your entire comment history without reading them (hey, if the comments were actually read, then I wouldn't take issue look at the size of this bitch, amirite?)  That shit's been going on and it seems like it's not ending soon.  So, you create an alt and upvoat your own comment history, a single time on each comment.  Is that vote manipulation?  Or is that vote correction?  Is it a bannable offense?

Is there grievance process to follow so that your extensive staff can handle each little foible prior to the users taking any retaliatory action of their own.  Or, is it better to not need that staff, or very strict rules, and let goats handle their biznazz, while your limited staff only handles exceptional cases?  Because if you've agreed to the latter, then we're not guilty, we're just on board with your program.  Only the exceptional cases are worth being "pissed off" about.

What if you raise awareness about some obvious asshattery going on and that creates public consensus that a user is a shithead and lots of people organically downvoat them.  Is that brigading?  Calling a town meeting is not illegal even in towns where there are sheriffs, see.  And you might not know this, but in the USA citizens can call a Grand Jury all on their own, without using any of the court system, and hold a trial, and carry out sentencing, all without the government getting involved.  We don't because there are dedicated courts IRL, but in a strange frontier cyberland, you might want to re-think your conception of what "brigading" means, because there are no courts here.

Besides that, the community doesn't belong to you putt.  Without us you are nothing.  You may be maintainer, and operator, and for that we're grateful, but the community belongs to us, we created a lot of it somewhere else and took care to bring it here, and we'll take it with us if we leave.  So, if the community says, "The gods have forsaken us!  Our prayers go unanswered!  We must do something ourselves", then that's actually our right to do that.  The role of such a cybergod is to respond to the will of the volk, bringing righteous lightning from on high if the people cry out and the need is great enough to summon you.  You can be a vengeful god and lay the smack down however you want, or an indifferent god who ignores the community's wishes, but in those cases that just means people will say, "Bad Deity, No Universe," and stop believing in you.

Not adopting "we're all guilty".  That's projection.  Personally, I think: Talk is cheap, let's see some action.  Till then, I don't give a flying fuck if there are over nine thousand Sheriffs in town.

TL;DR: Fuck the police.  There are no clearly defined rules to follow.  Come at me bro. If we must break the rules to define them, so be it.

> maybe the definition of brigading Voat's using is too general? 

Exactly this.

Using a "commonly understood" but ill defined term to govern is the bane of all free peoples of earth.

Everyone understands what "brigading" means, of course!  But, they each have their own definition of what that means in their head.

@puttitout should list specific examples of activities that will count as "vote manipulation" and "brigading" **prior** to sighting down the barrel of a gun as a "new sheriff in town".  Otherwise, we risk a less extreme, but more dangerous version of SaneGoatiSwear cancer.

People will get pissed, say, "Awe come the fuck on, you let that other asshole get away with X and you ban me"?   Then they'll lash out against new rules they feel are unfair, purposefully breaking them this time, reinforcing your flawed belief that they were trolls in the first place.  Others will take sides and contribute.  Troll-spiral is a hell of a drug.  

I support putt's actions thus far, proven smart as fuck for not pulling a SaneGoat and sperging out, banning all the minor bullshit no one has a right to be "pissed off" about.  We're not guilty of shit, I'm not buying that.  You don't label a lawless town "guilty" because people had to defend themselves when there was no sheriff.  It's a shitty place to be, but that's just the way it is.

Vigilante justice can be just IRL even if the "law" gets broken to do it.  If the Sheriff wants to prevent that then fix this shit:

0. No well defined explicit rules to break in the first place.  
1. The place became the wild wild west w/o a Sheriff.

For example, and I keep coming back to this, because it's topical and obvious, not because I give a damn:  If your moral convictions keep you from demodding or banning the shit out of a troll like SaneGoatiSwear, when there's ample evidence of modabuse, then you have absolutely zero right to get "pissed off" when other people resort to whatever minor means they have available and combat the fuckery, because **admins** let it continue, and appointed the trouble making reeeeeetard in the first place.

For the sake of argument let's say you pissed off SaneGoat and they went through and downvoated your entire comment history without reading them (hey, if the comments were actually read, then I wouldn't take issue look at the size of this bitch, amirite?)  That shit's been going on and it seems like it's not ending soon.  So, you create an alt and upvoat your own comment history, a single time on each comment.  Is that vote manipulation?  Or is that vote correction?  Is it a bannable offense?

Is there grievance process to follow so that your extensive staff can handle each little foible prior to the users taking any retaliatory action of their own.  Or, is it better to not need that staff, or very strict rules, and let goats handle their biznazz, while your limited staff only handles exceptional cases?  Because if you've agreed to the latter, then we're not guilty, we're just on board with your program.  Only the exceptional cases are worth being "pissed off" about.

What if you raise awareness about some obvious asshattery going on and that creates public consensus that a user is a shithead and lots of people organically downvoat them.  Is that brigading?  Calling a town meeting is not illegal even in towns where there are sheriffs, see.  And you might not know this, but in the USA citizens can call a Grand Jury all on their own, without using any of the court system, and hold a trial, and carry out sentencing, all without the government getting involved.  We don't because there are dedicated courts IRL, but in a strange frontier cyberland, you might want to re-think your conception of what "brigading" means, because there are no courts here.

Besides that, the community doesn't belong to you putt.  Without us you are nothing.  You may be maintainer, and operator, and for that we're grateful, but the community belongs to us, we created a lot of it somewhere else and took care to bring it here, and we'll take it with us if we leave.  So, if the community says, "The gods have forsaken us!  Our prayers go unanswered!  We must do something ourselves", then that's actually our right to do that.  The role of such a cybergod is to respond to the will of the volk, bringing righteous lightning from on high if the people cry out and the need is great enough to summon you.  You can be a vengeful god and lay the smack down however you want, or an indifferent god who ignores the community's wishes, but in those cases that just means people will say, "Bad Deity, No Universe," and stop believing in you.

Not adopting "we're all guilty".  That's projection.  Personally, I think: Talk is cheap, let's see some action.  Till then, I don't give a flying fuck if there are over nine thousand Sheriffs in town.

TL;DR: Fuck the police.  There are no clearly defined rules to follow.  Come at me bro. If we must break the rules to define them, so be it.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 4 points -1 points 3 points (+3|-4) 1.5 years ago

justin chastain, (@puttitout) is a liar and an sjw. last proof post; voat is for the shills.

VOAT CONSPIRACY: the shills have taken voat like they took reddit.

#***[justin chastain, (@puttitout) is a liar and an sjw. last proof post; voat is for the shills.](https://voat.co/v/whatever/1645359)***


#***[VOAT CONSPIRACY: the shills have taken voat like they took reddit.](https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/1651591)***

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 30 points -14 points 16 points (+16|-30) 1.5 years ago

you still oblivious to the obvious brigades going on RIGHT NOW even IN THIS THREAD?!!

@puttitout you failed voat, you failed goats, and you failed the very idea of free speech

and i did it. i got all the shills out in the open, including you.

bitch nigga.

you still oblivious to the obvious brigades going on RIGHT NOW even IN THIS THREAD?!!

@puttitout you failed voat, you failed goats, and you failed the very idea of free speech


and i did it.  i got all the shills out in the open, including you.

bitch nigga.

[–] DoomMantia 1 points 35 points 36 points (+36|-1) 1.5 years ago

a user who spams the same copypasta across different threads

@VoatIsForNiggers comes to mind. Literally the only thing it ever posts is the word "Niggers" everywhere, either as a comment or as a submission title.

>a user who spams the same copypasta across different threads

@VoatIsForNiggers comes to mind. Literally the only thing it ever posts is the word "Niggers" everywhere, either as a comment or as a submission title.

[–] mispelledsomething 1 points 19 points 20 points (+20|-1) 1.5 years ago

Basically, yeah. Or someone who posts a mile long about how Voat is dying in unrelated posts or posts that require mental gymnastics to make them related.

Basically, yeah. Or someone who posts a mile long about how Voat is dying in unrelated posts or posts that require mental gymnastics to make them related.

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[–] Islamiscancer 5 points 8 points 13 points (+13|-5) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

With most of Voats particular flavour contemt, Niggers can simply sum up the issue in a single word.

Riots in DC? Niggers.

European Migfant Crisis? Niggers.

Rape and Murder? Niggers.

With most of Voats particular flavour contemt, Niggers can simply sum up the issue in a single word.

Riots in DC? Niggers.

European Migfant Crisis? Niggers.

Rape and Murder? Niggers.

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[–] WeekendBaker 1 points 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) 1.5 years ago

Oddly enough, some of his comments have positive CCP. I think it's a a really interesting account as a social experiment... like brojobs... but joke is old by now and needs to go.

Oddly enough, some of his comments have positive CCP. I think it's a a really interesting account as a social experiment... like brojobs... but joke is old by now and needs to go.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 0 points 1 points (+1|-1) 1.5 years ago

Pretty sure he's a joke account.

Pretty sure he's a joke account.

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[–] TheodoreKent 2 points 13 points 15 points (+15|-2) 1.5 years ago

I'm going to brigade @puttitout's account, just to see if he is serious or not.

I'm going to brigade @puttitout's account, just to see if he is serious or not.

[–] mispelledsomething 1 points 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) 1.5 years ago

I don't think I've seen putt spamming copypasta all over the place...

I don't think I've seen putt spamming copypasta all over the place...

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[–] 8005107 1 points 52 points 53 points (+53|-1) 1.5 years ago

@PuttItOut

This is a good point, can we get a clear definition of brigading so people can make sure they don't do it?

@PuttItOut

This is a good point, can we get a clear definition of brigading so people can make sure they don't do it?

[–] PuttItOut [S] 2 points 75 points 77 points (+77|-2) 1.5 years ago

Yes, I will provide more info on this before I initiate any further bans for this reason.

It is not my intention to ban anyone but those that are abusing the system for malicious reasons.

Yes, I will provide more info on this before I initiate any further bans for this reason.

It is not my intention to ban anyone but those that are abusing the system for malicious reasons.

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[–] 8005273 0 points 64 points 64 points (+64|-0) 1.5 years ago

It needs to be VERY CLEARLY DEFINED. Reddit uses this as justification to ban anyone they dislike because nobody knows what brigade is.

For example, I lost one reddit account after some dude spammed hundreds of comments to me and I downvoted them from his userpage instead of each thread. I don't think any sane person would consider voting on a reply to your comments to be brigading.

It needs to be VERY CLEARLY DEFINED. Reddit uses this as justification to ban anyone they dislike because nobody knows what brigade is. 

For example, I lost one reddit account after some dude spammed hundreds of comments to me and I downvoted them from his userpage instead of each thread. I don't think any sane person would consider voting on a reply to your comments to be brigading.

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[–] 8005161 4 points 18 points 22 points (+22|-4) 1.5 years ago

My worthless interpretation would be looking at someone's profile and downvoting everything in sight because you were triggered. (i.e. being a faggot).

My worthless interpretation would be looking at someone's profile and downvoting everything in sight because you were triggered. (i.e. being a faggot).

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[–] Scrapco 1 points 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

Ehh, I don't know. I've had comments that people didn't like, and they've downvoted a user page's worth of comments. I don't think that should be bannable though, it's just dumb. ~~There's already a 10 per day restriction, no?~~ Guess not!

So is it brigading if more than one person gets triggered by that comment and downvotes a bunch? That's happened too. Not sure I'm in favor of that either. But how do you tell the difference between that and people communicating to each other, "hey, this guy's a tool, let's wreck his imaginary points?"

Putt knows! :-D Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Ehh, I don't know.  I've had comments that people didn't like, and they've downvoted a user page's worth of comments.  I don't think that should be bannable though, it's just dumb.  <s>There's already a 10 per day restriction, no?</s>  Guess not!  

So is it brigading if more than one person gets triggered by that comment and downvotes a bunch?  That's happened too.  Not sure I'm in favor of that either.  But how do you tell the difference between that and people communicating to each other, "hey, this guy's a tool, let's wreck his imaginary points?"  

Putt knows!  :-D  Guess we'll find out soon enough.

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[–] GoogleStoleMyBike 1 points 7 points 8 points (+8|-1) 1.5 years ago

I would imagine this means using alts to downvoat someone multiple times.

I would imagine this means using alts to downvoat someone multiple times.

[–] Sheilaaliens 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

Ya. Just happened to me, and they made sure to put me to below to 100 comment points threshold so I can't downvote anybody. Not that I do it a whole lot anyway, but what a bitchy faggot move.

Ya. Just happened to me, and they made sure to put me to below to 100 comment points threshold so I can't downvote anybody. Not that I do it a whole lot anyway, but what a bitchy faggot move.

[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 4 points 40 points 44 points (+44|-4) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

Can you speak to whether anti-free-speech mod behavior is permissible in very popular but non-system-owned subs? Such as /v/TIL. Mass deletions, mass banning, rules for the users but not for the mod, etc. Similar to what @She was doing.

Also, what constitutes brigading? Subverses targeting another subverse? Alts used for voting? Or what about when someone goes through your comment history and downvotes everything?

Can you speak to whether anti-free-speech mod behavior is permissible in very popular but non-system-owned subs? Such as /v/TIL. Mass deletions, mass banning, rules for the users but not for the mod, etc. Similar to what @She was doing.

Also, what constitutes brigading? Subverses targeting another subverse? Alts used for voting? Or what about when someone goes through your comment history and downvotes everything?

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[+] SaneGoatiSwear 79 points -70 points 9 points 1.5 years ago (show)

[–] SaneGoatiSwear 79 points -70 points 9 points (+9|-79) 1.5 years ago

fuck off nigger everyone was unbanned. it was just till the harassment of me died down, shill.

kevdude's on the front page with a v/til post.

mass deletions

of a giant organized harassment campaing INCLUDING BY YOU you fucking dirty nigger shill

nothing like what she did you stupid nigger

dirty nigger criminal shill shilling so hard his shekels fell off his dirty hairy greasy neck

CONFIRMED SRS

ayy lmao you little nigger so easy.

fuck off nigger everyone was unbanned. it was just till the harassment of me died down, shill.

kevdude's on the front page with a v/til post.

>mass deletions

of a giant organized harassment campaing INCLUDING BY YOU you fucking dirty nigger shill


nothing like what she did you stupid nigger

>dirty nigger criminal shill shilling so hard his shekels fell off his dirty hairy greasy neck

>CONFIRMED SRS 

ayy lmao you little nigger so easy.

[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 2 points 31 points 33 points (+33|-2) 1.5 years ago

Now that vote brigading has been fixed, when you're downvoted to negative CCP in a few days you won't be able to effectively moderate TIL. Someone will then take it over.

You're in no position to judge anything, considering the slightest criticism of your spammy, hypocritical, autistic rants sends you into a deletion and banning spree.

Now that vote brigading has been fixed, when you're downvoted to negative CCP in a few days you won't be able to effectively moderate TIL. Someone will then take it over.

You're in no position to judge anything, considering the slightest criticism of your spammy, hypocritical, autistic rants sends you into a deletion and banning spree.

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[–] SaltyMango 1 points 9 points 10 points (+10|-1) 1.5 years ago

Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

[–] MaunaLoona 1 points 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

There isn't a massive conspiracy against you. It's just that no one likes you or your posts.

There isn't a massive conspiracy against you. It's just that no one likes you or your posts.

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[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 7 points 36 points 43 points (+43|-7) 1.5 years ago

You are like the Trump of voat.

You are like the Trump of voat.

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[–] Foralltoosee 2 points 22 points 24 points (+24|-2) 1.5 years ago

We really hope he won't fuck it up over the next four years, but we're fairly confident everything will be fine?

We really hope he won't fuck it up over the next four years, but we're fairly confident everything will be fine?

[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 3 points 14 points 17 points (+17|-3) 1.5 years ago (edited 1.5 years ago)

And he is a billionaire who wrote 'The Art of the Voat.'

Seriously, the changes he is pushing are like the bullet points in that book.

And he is a billionaire who wrote 'The Art of the Voat.'

Seriously, the changes he is pushing are like the bullet points in that book.

[–] Broc_Lia 7 points 4 points 11 points (+11|-7) 1.5 years ago

He's big into domestic spying and civil asset forfeiture? :p

He's big into domestic spying and civil asset forfeiture? :p

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[+] Tallest_Skil 9 points -5 points 4 points 1.5 years ago (show)

[–] Tallest_Skil 9 points -5 points 4 points (+4|-9) 1.5 years ago

Still riding those canards, are you, you fucking shill?

Still riding those canards, are you, you fucking shill?

[–] Mick 9 points 32 points 41 points (+41|-9) 1.5 years ago

Meh, they're just points. Congrats on the stable update.

Meh, they're just points. Congrats on the stable update.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) 1.5 years ago

Yeah, but they affect which comments get seen and which get buried. Users like sanegoatiswear abuse this to push their content to the top and bury what they don't like.

Yeah, but they affect which comments get seen and which get buried. Users like sanegoatiswear abuse this to push their content to the top and bury what they don't like.

[–] Mick 3 points 4 points 7 points (+7|-3) 1.5 years ago

This is talking about losing points because of the update. I don't care about that, I gave up 30 000 points to get Mick back.

This is talking about losing points because of the update. I don't care about that, I gave up 30 000 points to get Mick back.

[–] kytha 1 points 30 points 31 points (+31|-1) 1.5 years ago

Just curious about other people's thoughts on archiving submissions? It always annoyed me when I couldn't comment or vote on older posts on that other site..Especially three months is not a long period of time at all.

Just curious about other people's thoughts on archiving submissions? It always annoyed me when I couldn't comment or vote on older posts on that other site..Especially three months is not a long period of time at all.

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[–] 8005504 0 points 26 points 26 points (+26|-0) 1.5 years ago

I don't like it, but it's usually the result of technical and costs restraints. Once you put a post in a read-only archived it becomes much cheaper to host.

I don't like it, but it's usually the result of technical and costs restraints. Once you put a post in a read-only archived it becomes much cheaper to host.

[–] Plavonica 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) 1.5 years ago

I would rather they get deleted after 3 months. Have exceptions for specially marked posts of course.

I would rather they get deleted after 3 months.  Have exceptions for specially marked posts of course.

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[–] thrus 1 points 1 points 2 points (+2|-1) 1.5 years ago

The thing is that most of us are not going to go back and rejoin a discussion from then and most are never even going to see it again, unless some search results bring it up.

The thing is that most of us are not going to go back and rejoin a discussion from then and most are never even going to see it again, unless some search results bring it up.

[–] smokratez 5 points 23 points 28 points (+28|-5) 1.5 years ago

From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

So if I down vote every submission made by Hpoop I will be banned?

> From this point forward, if you brigade another users’ content your account will be banned.

So if I down vote every submission made by Hpoop I will be banned?

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[–] fagnig 1 points 33 points 34 points (+34|-1) 1.5 years ago

Ive mass upvoted a user who was being mass downvoted, im also curious if this is bannable.

Ive mass upvoted a user who was being mass downvoted, im also curious if this is bannable.

[–] Tallest_Skil 4 points 9 points 13 points (+13|-4) 1.5 years ago

I have an idea: GET RID OF THE FUCKING UP AND DOWNVOTES AND LET A GODDAMN CONVERSATION HAPPEN, FOR THE SWEET EVERLOVING MOTHER OF FUCK. Copypasta time.

There is one main difference between Reddit and /pol/: equality.

On Reddit, you are forced to make a username to contribute. While you don’t have to connect it to an e-mail, you have to do so to comment more than once per few minutes. So, really, you have to connect it to an e-mail. This creates an identity that a user develops over time and craves to make “important.”

All the individual identities on Reddit crave one thing: Upvotes–for comments and posts. This means that a Reddit user is willing to sell a part of who they really are in the quest for more positive votes. This identity is no longer a true representation of who they really are (were). It is a pseudo-reality that only exists in the world of Reddit. Their ideas, comments, postings, and even language has been influenced and changed all for the sake of the coveted upward pointed arrow.

/pol/ is void of this. I can be who I want to be, post what I want to post, and say what I want to say without having to think about what you fucks think. Your opinions don’t do anything. /pol/ has given other users no way to devalue my identity. Reddit, by its nature, explicitly gives other users a way to devalue who and what you really are, what you really think, and what you really want to say. Reddit, while claiming to be for “content,” is really against it. One poster on Reddit even showed a part in the basic coding of Reddit’s popularity system where votes over time earn the “front page” status quickly. What gets looked at more over a short period of time: the interesting post about something everyone should know, or some stupid fucking cat? The cat, because it’s easier to see, easier to read, and easier to process. It’s a joke.

Sure, Reddit has some positives, but it all boils down to this: Reddit allows other users to have the power to alter your way of thinking for the sake of favor among them. /pol/ does not. Oh, and one more thing. Reddit’s administrators censor and delete anything with which they do not agree. Not only are other users altering your beliefs, the site owners are, as well.

I have an idea: GET RID OF THE FUCKING UP AND DOWNVOTES AND LET A GODDAMN CONVERSATION HAPPEN, FOR THE SWEET EVERLOVING MOTHER OF FUCK. Copypasta time.

There is one main difference between Reddit and /pol/: equality.

On Reddit, you are forced to make a username to contribute. While you don’t have to connect it to an e-mail, you have to do so to comment more than once per few minutes. So, really, you have to connect it to an e-mail. This creates an identity that a user develops over time and craves to make “important.”

All the individual identities on Reddit crave one thing: Upvotes–for comments and posts. This means that a Reddit user is willing to sell a part of who they really are in the quest for more positive votes. This identity is no longer a true representation of who they really are (were). It is a pseudo-reality that only exists in the world of Reddit. Their ideas, comments, postings, and even language has been influenced and changed all for the sake of the coveted upward pointed arrow.

/pol/ is void of this. I can be who I want to be, post what I want to post, and say what I want to say without having to think about what you fucks think. Your opinions don’t do anything. /pol/ has given other users no way to devalue my identity. Reddit, by its nature, explicitly gives other users a way to devalue who and what you really are, what you really think, and what you really want to say. Reddit, while claiming to be for “content,” is really against it. One poster on Reddit even showed a part in the basic coding of Reddit’s popularity system where votes over time earn the “front page” status quickly. What gets looked at more over a short period of time: the interesting post about something everyone should know, or some stupid fucking cat? The cat, because it’s easier to see, easier to read, and easier to process. It’s a joke.

Sure, Reddit has some positives, but it all boils down to this: Reddit allows other users to have the power to alter your way of thinking for the sake of favor among them. /pol/ does not. Oh, and one more thing. Reddit’s administrators censor and delete anything with which they do not agree. Not only are other users altering your beliefs, the site owners are, as well.

I have an idea: GET RID OF THE FUCKING UP AND DOWNVOTES AND LET A GODDAMN CONVERSATION HAPPEN, FOR THE SWEET EVERLOVING MOTHER OF FUCK. Copypasta time.

There is one main difference between Reddit and /pol/: equality.

On Reddit, you are forced to make a username to contribute. While you don’t have to connect it to an e-mail, you have to do so to comment more than once per few minutes. So, really, you have to connect it to an e-mail. This creates an identity that a user develops over time and craves to make “important.”

All the individual identities on Reddit crave one thing: Upvotes–for comments and posts. This means that a Reddit user is willing to sell a part of who they really are in the quest for more positive votes. This identity is no longer a true representation of who they really are (were). It is a pseudo-reality that only exists in the world of Reddit. Their ideas, comments, postings, and even language has been influenced and changed all for the sake of the coveted upward pointed arrow.

/pol/ is void of this. I can be who I want to be, post what I want to post, and say what I want to say without having to think about what you fucks think. Your opinions don’t do anything. /pol/ has given other users no way to devalue my identity. Reddit, by its nature, explicitly gives other users a way to devalue who and what you really are, what you really think, and what you really want to say. Reddit, while claiming to be for “content,” is really against it. One poster on Reddit even showed a part in the basic coding of Reddit’s popularity system where votes over time earn the “front page” status quickly. What gets looked at more over a short period of time: the interesting post about something everyone should know, or some stupid fucking cat? The cat, because it’s easier to see, easier to read, and easier to process. It’s a joke.

Sure, Reddit has some positives, but it all boils down to this: Reddit allows other users to have the power to alter your way of thinking for the sake of favor among them. /pol/ does not. Oh, and one more thing. Reddit’s administrators censor and delete anything with which they do not agree. Not only are other users altering your beliefs, the site owners are, as well.

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[–] Ina_Pickle 1 points 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) 1.5 years ago

Could be. There's no way @Puttitout or his algorithms could know your intentions.

Could be.  There's no way @Puttitout or his algorithms could know your intentions.

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[–] Artofchoke 4 points 2 points 6 points (+6|-4) 1.5 years ago

I have upvoated sane goat fear nearly a year, for no reason other than to be a contrarian. 🐐

I have upvoated sane goat fear nearly a year,  for no reason other than to be a contrarian. 🐐

[–] Mick 2 points 17 points 19 points (+19|-2) 1.5 years ago

Yeah this needs clarification.

Yeah this needs clarification.

[–] [deleted] 1 points 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) 1.5 years ago

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[–] Ina_Pickle 2 points 3 points 5 points (+5|-2) 1.5 years ago

That's what he's threatening. Although it's not really fair in that case. HOPOOP's posts are usually always disgusting.

That's what he's threatening.  Although it's not really fair in that case.  HOPOOP's posts are usually always disgusting.

[–] HeavyBrain 1 points 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) 1.5 years ago

Well that should be no problem if the block feature is put in place.

Well that should be no problem if the block feature is put in place.

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[–] vault_boy 4 points 18 points 22 points (+22|-4) 1.5 years ago

Thanks for the update @PuttItOut

Happy to see more improvements here :D

Thanks for the update @PuttItOut

Happy to see more improvements here :D

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[–] Chiefpacman 4 points 4 points 8 points (+8|-4) 1.5 years ago

Make sure to leave an apple on his desk next time

Make sure to leave an apple on his desk next time

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