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[–] Guerilla 1 points 538 points 539 points (+539|-1) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

Well, that was expected. Paypal is a fucking terrible corporation and people should REALLY stop trusting these fucking blackmailers. How many people must these fucks screw before the public stops trusting them with their money?

edit: It seems Google Wallet is just as terrible, so the only solution for an easy to pay system is a build in site pay feature which imo should be a priority now if we want voat to survive. Unless there are other suggestions.

edit2: If you don't want to close your paypal account because you might need it in the future, which is understandable given its popularity, I urge everyone to empty their paypal accounts completely and only use it for direct transactions with their CC. Not just because you're boycotting but to protect your money from these thieving fucks (for example...). Also, if you're buying something from another country make sure to change the settings to stop paypal from converting the currency for you (the setting is in tiny fond during the transaction) because paypal's currency exchange rates are obscenely expensive. It's just another way for paypal to rip off their customers and it's actually an opt-out system which is enraging. And DO NOT "upgrade" your account unless you really need that, iirc there are a couple of scams there too.

Well, that was expected. Paypal is a fucking terrible corporation and people should REALLY stop trusting these fucking blackmailers. How many people must these fucks screw before the public stops trusting them with their money?

edit:  It seems Google Wallet is just as terrible, so the only solution for an easy to pay system is a build in site pay feature which imo should be a priority now if we want voat to survive. Unless there are other suggestions.

edit2: If you don't want to close your paypal account because you might need it in the future, which is understandable given its popularity, **I urge everyone to empty their paypal accounts completely and only use it for direct transactions with their CC**. Not just because you're boycotting but to protect your money from these thieving fucks ([for example...](https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/161711/430380)). Also, if you're buying something from another country make sure to change the settings to stop paypal from converting the currency for you (the setting is in tiny fond during the transaction) because paypal's currency exchange rates are obscenely expensive. It's just another way for paypal to rip off their customers and it's actually an opt-out system which is enraging. And DO NOT "upgrade" your account unless you really need that, iirc there are a couple of scams there too.

Well, that was expected. Paypal is a fucking terrible corporation and people should REALLY stop trusting these fucking blackmailers. How many people must these fucks screw before the public stops trusting them with their money? 

edit:  It seems Google Wallet is just as terrible, so the only solution for an easy to pay system is a build in site pay feature which imo should be a priority now if we want voat to survive. Unless there are other suggestions.

edit2: If you don't want to close your paypal account because you might need it in the future, which is understandable given its popularity, **I urge everyone to empty their paypal accounts completely and only use it for direct transactions with their CC**. Not just because you're boycotting but to protect your money from these thieving fucks ([for example...](https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/161711/430380)). Also, if you're buying something from another country make sure to change the settings to stop paypal from converting the currency for you (the setting is in tiny fond during the transaction) because paypal's currency exchange rates are obscenely expensive. It's just another way for paypal to rip off their customers and it's actually an opt-out system which is enraging. And DO NOT "upgrade" your account unless you really need that, iirc there are a couple of scams there too.

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[–] Fact_Checking_Alien 0 points 103 points 103 points (+103|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

It may be advisable to begin investing in to any service which agrees solidly with freedom of expression, and supports them likewise. Currently it would appear the best solution is Bitcoin, which is rather ironic because they're pushing an increasing number of persons into its use through censorship. In other words, ironic because they're killing themselves with their ideological rulings.

Perhaps the best thing I can say about Voat and people who've been attracted by it: We don't want your god-damn ideology. We want your service. Let us decide what we want to say with it. If there are any other services on the internet who sides by this, though admitting restrictions forced by law, I would fully support their using Voat to advertise themselves.

Edit: If anyone knows of any such service fitting this description, please respond with it. Maybe we can make a compilation and see where we go from there.

It may be advisable to begin investing in to any service which agrees solidly with freedom of expression, and supports them likewise. Currently it would appear the best solution is Bitcoin, which is rather ironic because they're pushing an increasing number of persons into its use through censorship. In other words, ironic because they're killing themselves with their ideological rulings.

Perhaps the best thing I can say about Voat and people who've been attracted by it: We don't want your god-damn ideology. We want your service. Let us decide what we want to say with it. If there are any other services on the internet who sides by this, though admitting restrictions forced by law, I would fully support their using Voat to advertise themselves.

Edit: If anyone knows of any such service fitting this description, please respond with it. Maybe we can make a compilation and see where we go from there.

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[–] Wellhungguy 3 points 46 points 49 points (+49|-3) 2 years ago

I know reddit doesn't like bitcoin because lol pyramid scheme hur dur hur, but i've been using it quite happily for awhile. It had a bubble last year, but it's been steady for some time. Useful to have a stash..

Up to you guys though..

I know reddit doesn't like bitcoin because lol pyramid scheme hur dur hur, but i've been using it quite happily for awhile. It had a bubble last year, but it's been steady for some time.    Useful to have a stash..

Up to you guys though..

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[–] sniper98g 1 points 16 points 17 points (+17|-1) 2 years ago

Still Bitcoin, but Circle makes bitcoin really easy to send.

Still Bitcoin, but [Circle](https://www.circle.com/) makes bitcoin really easy to send.

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[–] ezen 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) 2 years ago

It's going to push the fee on the buyer, though. It makes it harder to purchase as they'd have to open a Circle/Coinbase account, etc. It's a lot of hassle to support a site like this. Consumer adoption of bitcoin has always been hampered by it simply taking more effort to use day to day.

There has to be a payment provider or plugin to easily accept donations that's not PayPal.

It's going to push the fee on the buyer, though. It makes it harder to purchase as they'd have to open a Circle/Coinbase account, etc. It's a lot of hassle to support a site like this. Consumer adoption of bitcoin has always been hampered by it simply taking more effort to use day to day.

There has to be a payment provider or plugin to easily accept donations that's not PayPal.

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[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 40 points 40 points (+40|-0) 2 years ago

I stopped using Paypal long ago and closed my account. There are way too many PayPal horror stories out there. VOAT is not there first organization to have donations refused due to Political Correctness.

I stopped using Paypal long ago and closed my account.  There are way too many PayPal horror stories out there.  VOAT is not there first organization to have donations refused due to Political Correctness.

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[–] bontoJR 0 points 26 points 26 points (+26|-0) 2 years ago

No, Google Wallet is even worse than Paypal and they actually retired the API, so you can't really do anything big with them. Solution now seems to be Bitcoin, even Skrill can't be considered as alternative...

No, Google Wallet is even worse than Paypal and they actually retired the API, so you can't really do anything big with them. Solution now seems to be Bitcoin, even Skrill can't be considered as alternative...

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[–] nether 1 points 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) 2 years ago

I know I might get downboated for saying this. But setting up ripple node bumping up trust would work well too. It is not anonymous but banks are buying into it and it is direct transfer from account to account no middle man like paypal/gwallet.

I know I might get downboated for saying this. But setting up ripple node bumping up trust would work well too. It is not anonymous but banks are buying into it and it is direct transfer from account to account no middle man like paypal/gwallet.

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[–] RandomResponse 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) 2 years ago

I'm pretty sure you can send money through gmail, all you need is the email address of your recipient.

If not that, well, there's always bitcoin

I'm pretty sure you can send money through gmail, all you need is the email address of your recipient. 

If not that, well, there's always bitcoin

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[–] flyawayhigh 1 points 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) 2 years ago

Regulation. Sooner or later, people are going to start to realize it's needed.

Regulation. Sooner or later, people are going to start to realize it's needed.

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[–] SilverBanana 0 points 125 points 125 points (+125|-0) 2 years ago

This is good personal lesson on reverse psychology. I was considering donation, now I am sure to donate. Probably larger sum than before.

This is good personal lesson on reverse psychology. I was considering donation, now I am sure to donate. Probably larger sum than before.

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[–] DaveyCakes 0 points 30 points 30 points (+30|-0) 2 years ago

This. Kinda drove a broke uni student to the donating $20-30 au next pay packet.

This. Kinda drove a broke uni student to the donating $20-30 au next pay packet.

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[–] getoutofbed 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) 2 years ago

Good on you man! Though for those reading this that are unable to make a donation (probably fellow students), you can help voat without having to donate money. Just tell your friends about voat, go to your favourite subverses and make sure to make it active..

Good on you man! Though for those reading this that are unable to make a donation (probably fellow students), you can help voat without having to donate money. Just tell your friends about voat, go to your favourite subverses and make sure to make it active..

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[–] poopbutt 3 points 12 points 15 points (+15|-3) 2 years ago

Maybe that was the plan all along and the account isn't frozen at all (ಠ_ಠ)

Maybe that was the plan all along and the account isn't frozen at all (ಠ_ಠ)

[](#s "I'M KIDDING don't get your panties in a bunch!")

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[–] Spank_My_Bottom 0 points 1 points 1 points (+1|-0) 2 years ago

/u/Dworkinator is secretly /user/Puttitout! It makes all the sense in the world!

/u/Dworkinator is secretly /user/Puttitout! It makes all the sense in the world!

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[–] Ina_Pickle 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) 2 years ago

I felt bad, because everyone was donating and I had to wait till the first paycheck in July. Now I'm glad I did. I will be donating more than I previously intended as well. It's not fair for these guys to get screwed over.

@Atko, just let us know how to get it to you. Anyway except paypal is acceptable to me. I'll even snail mail it to you.

I felt bad, because everyone was donating and I had to wait till the first paycheck in July.  Now I'm glad I did.  I will be donating more than I previously intended as well. It's not fair for these guys to get screwed over. 

 @Atko, just let us know how to get it to you.  Anyway except paypal is acceptable to me.  I'll even snail mail it to you.

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[–] rydan 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) 2 years ago

Prove it.

Prove it.

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[–] SilverBanana 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) 2 years ago

Yeah, I sent money to my bitcoin wallet and was expecing it tommorow. Since Voat has moved (was pushed by threads) from a free speech platform to another Reddit. So I am looking for an alternative. /v/voatalternatives

Yeah, I sent money to my bitcoin wallet and was expecing it tommorow. Since Voat has moved (was pushed by threads) from a free speech platform to another Reddit. So I am looking for an alternative. /v/voatalternatives

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[–] lawofchaos 0 points 86 points 86 points (+86|-0) 2 years ago

I wonder how long it will take before an SRS mod boats about reporting Voat to PayPal as a porn service or something.

I wonder how long it will take before an SRS mod boats about reporting Voat to PayPal as a porn service or something.

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[–] Anomie 0 points 29 points 29 points (+29|-0) 2 years ago

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

[http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/](http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/)

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege 0 points 37 points 37 points (+37|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

Archived version, for people who would rather not give Ellen Pao's ass-backwards version of Reddit traffic:

https://archive.is/worAe

Archived version, for people who would rather not give Ellen Pao's ass-backwards version of Reddit traffic:

https://archive.is/worAe

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[–] SimonWest 0 points 14 points 14 points (+14|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

should have archivend that link. don't send their sub more traffic.

should have archivend that link. don't send their sub more traffic.

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[–] 123_456 1 points 7 points 8 points (+8|-1) 2 years ago

I think this is the guy who is doing it. Don't go on a witch hunt, but I think it's him. He's the only one with this username.

Sam Dworkin.

https://twitter.com/dworkinator

http://yooying.com/dworkinator

http://www.sdworkin-design.com/

His information says he's from Eugene Or.

I think this is the guy who is doing it. Don't go on a witch hunt, but I think it's him. He's the only one with this username.

Sam Dworkin.

https://twitter.com/dworkinator

http://yooying.com/dworkinator

http://www.sdworkin-design.com/

His information says he's from Eugene Or.

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[–] lawofchaos 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) 2 years ago

Come on people, if this doesn't mean that it's all out war then I don't know what will. Child porn?

Come on people, if this doesn't mean that it's all out war then I don't know what will. Child porn?

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[–] damnbiker 5 points 16 points 21 points (+21|-5) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

How does one report something like that to Paypal? I mean, Reddit is already pretty much dead. Why don't we just report all the NSFW subreddits to Paypal and watch their user based funding slow down even more?

Think about it: There's a lot of user generated NSFW content and no verification of the age of the submitter or the viewer. r/gonewild r/NSFW are two that I can think of, off the top of my head. Anyone else have a list?

How does one report something like that to Paypal? I mean, Reddit is already pretty much dead. Why don't we just report all the NSFW subreddits to Paypal and watch their user based funding slow down even more?

Think about it: There's a lot of user generated NSFW content and no verification of the age of the submitter or the viewer. r/gonewild r/NSFW are two that I can think of, off the top of my head. Anyone else have a list?

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[–] ynnadanny 0 points 65 points 65 points (+65|-0) 2 years ago

Reddit is already pretty much dead.

Reddit is nowhere near dead. Do you seriously believe that?

> Reddit is already pretty much dead.

Reddit is nowhere near dead. Do you seriously believe that?

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[–] KiTA 0 points 24 points 24 points (+24|-0) 2 years ago

Just as a reminder:

Reddit uses Paypal for their "Gold" accounts.
Reddit hosts r/CuteFemaleCorpses, r/BurningKids, and r/sexyabortions (NSFW, hell, Not Safe For Life)
Paypal might not know about that.
Paypal's support email is service@paypal.com

Just sayin. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Just as a reminder:

* Reddit uses Paypal for their "Gold" accounts.
* Reddit hosts r/CuteFemaleCorpses, r/BurningKids, and r/sexyabortions  (NSFW, hell, Not Safe For Life)
* Paypal might not know about that.
* Paypal's support email is service@paypal.com

Just sayin.  Good for the goose, good for the gander.

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[–] lawofchaos 0 points 15 points 15 points (+15|-0) 2 years ago

Haha that is a cool way to fight back. But if the higher ups from Reddit and the higher ups from Paypal are golfing buddies (which could also be the case) then you would never get anywhere.

From what I've heard about Paypal, the best solution is actually just to find an alternative to it.

Haha that is a cool way to fight back. But if the higher ups from Reddit and the higher ups from Paypal are golfing buddies (which could also be the case) then you would never get anywhere.

From what I've heard about Paypal, the best solution is actually just to find an alternative to it.

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[–] MrPim 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

The worst ones which came across r/all were /r/realgirls and /r/legalteens. Many questionable aged girls.

The worst ones which came across r/all were /r/realgirls and /r/legalteens. Many questionable aged girls.

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[–] ITS_SCIENCE_BITCHES 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) 2 years ago

It already happened.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

It already happened.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

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[–] DashFerLev 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) 2 years ago

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

Oh why do you think the pay pal was frozen?

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

Oh why do you think the pay pal was frozen?

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[–] Spank_My_Bottom 0 points 63 points 63 points (+63|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

What donation platform do you prefer now? Bitcoin? Patreon? Wireless transfer?

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Edit: I had researched and set up Bitcoin Wallet and sent some funds to it, they will be all donated to Voat. I encourage the rest of the users to do the same.

Nevertheless, many people will not be willing to go through that hassle, voat should consider setting up their own credit card gate or allow people to send money via SOPA transaction.

What donation platform do you prefer now? Bitcoin? Patreon? Wireless transfer? 

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Edit: I had researched and set up [Bitcoin Wallet](https://bitcoin.org/en/getting-started) and sent some funds to it, they will be all donated to Voat. I encourage the rest of the users to do the same. 

Nevertheless, many people will not be willing to go through that hassle, voat should consider setting up their own credit card gate or allow people to send money via SOPA transaction.

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[–] HappyCoffee 0 points 64 points 64 points (+64|-0) 2 years ago

I would think Bitcoin is probably the surest way to make sure it actually arrives...

I would think Bitcoin is probably the surest way to make sure it actually arrives...

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[–] SpaceMonkey 0 points 44 points 44 points (+44|-0) 2 years ago

I don't think most people know or are willing to know how to use bitcoin. Maybe there should be a brief simple explanation on the site on how to donate via bitcoin.

I don't think most people know or are willing to know how to use bitcoin. Maybe there should be a brief simple explanation on the site on how to donate via bitcoin.

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[–] Stoic 0 points 13 points 13 points (+13|-0) 2 years ago

Many people that would otherwise donate will find having to get into bitcoin just to give a little bit of money too much of a hassle. There should be an easier alternative.

Many people that would otherwise donate will find having to get into bitcoin just to give a little bit of money too much of a hassle. There should be an easier alternative.

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[–] Guerilla 0 points 10 points 10 points (+10|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

Bitcoin is probably the surest way to make sure it actually arrives but not many people will go through the process of making bitcoin and donating it to the site. We need a more stable and easy to use platform, maybe even a build in site feature where you can directly donate using your credit card.

Bitcoin is probably the surest way to make sure it actually arrives but not many people will go through the process of making bitcoin and donating it to the site. We need a more stable and easy to use platform, maybe even a build in site feature where you can directly donate using your credit card.

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[–] arijitdas 0 points 1 points 1 points (+1|-0) 2 years ago

how to convert bitcoins to currency notes... is there any bank available?

how to convert bitcoins to currency notes... is there any bank available?

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[–] Skanda 0 points 30 points 30 points (+30|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

Bitcoin is the answer.

Nobody can arbitrarily decide to "limit your Bitcoin wallet".

It's technically impossible.

Bitcoin is the answer. 

Nobody can arbitrarily decide to "limit your Bitcoin wallet". 

It's technically impossible.

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[–] SilverBanana 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) 2 years ago

On the other hand, the bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies fluctuate even more than rest of FX market and there is certain hustle and expenses in transfering the funds to state currency.

On the other hand, the bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies fluctuate even more than rest of FX market and there is certain hustle and expenses in transfering the funds to state currency.

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[–] derram 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) 2 years ago

A Patreon account will fall in the same way, we're literally watching what happened to 8chan all over again.

This has become a battle for the internet and not just a squabble over a single site.

Free speech is dying on the internet.

A Patreon account will fall in the same way, we're literally watching what happened to 8chan all over again.

This has become a battle for the internet and not just a squabble over a single site.   

Free speech is dying on the internet.

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[–] Tallest9 0 points 1 points 1 points (+1|-0) 2 years ago

Patreon already denied 8chan several times on technicality. I wouldn't trust it.

Patreon already denied 8chan several times on technicality. I wouldn't trust it.

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[–] kurfu 0 points 56 points 56 points (+56|-0) 2 years ago (edited 2 years ago)

Did you really expect any less from PayPal? Especially with the active ongoing sabotage attempts coming from the Reddit pricks?

/rhetorical questions, both.

Did you really expect any less from PayPal? Especially with the active ongoing sabotage attempts coming from the Reddit pricks?

/rhetorical questions, both.

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[–] DaveyCakes 0 points 19 points 19 points (+19|-0) 2 years ago

Well they did literally say they should do exactly this next. I don't even. Leaving was their preferred option, and now we've done it and gone to a better site they won't accept that?

What about safe spaces and all that jazz?

Well they did literally say they should do exactly this next. I don't even. Leaving was their preferred option, and now we've done it and gone to a better site they won't accept that?

What about safe spaces and all that jazz?

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[–] Rommel79 1 points 29 points 30 points (+30|-1) 2 years ago

They don't want us to leave, they want us to conform.

I'm wondering how long it is until admins/mods threaten purges for anyone who visits here.

They don't want us to leave, they want us to conform. 

I'm wondering how long it is until admins/mods threaten purges for anyone who visits here.

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[–] mr_skeltal 0 points 46 points 46 points (+46|-0) 2 years ago

This shit is getting beyond a joke, I feel for you Atko.

This shit is getting beyond a joke, I feel for you Atko.

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[–] Marine 0 points 38 points 38 points (+38|-0) 2 years ago

Call PayPal and tell them to actually look at the site and tell them how it is no different than reddit.com who uses PayPal for transactions. Talking to a person live can help.

Call PayPal and tell them to actually look at the site and tell them how it is no different than reddit.com who uses PayPal for transactions. Talking to a person live can help.

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[–] ChicagoSunroof 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) 2 years ago

Have you ever tried calling paypal?

Have you ever tried calling paypal?

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[–] Marine 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) 2 years ago

Yes. They actually were really helpful with the couple times I called them.

Yes. They actually were really helpful with the couple times I called them.

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[–] Wolfstroy 2 points 37 points 39 points (+39|-2) 2 years ago

Reddit's SJWs in action again I bet. Falsely reporting Voat.

Reddit's SJWs in action again I bet. Falsely reporting Voat.

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[–] Anomie 0 points 14 points 14 points (+14|-0) 2 years ago

The same SRS mod who took credit for contacting their server is taking credit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/

The same SRS mod who took credit for contacting their server is taking credit:

[http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/](http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3atrqn/meta_i_sniped_voats_paypal_too/)

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[–] j_ 2 points 12 points 14 points (+14|-2) 2 years ago

You may be right, you may be wrong. No use making unsubstantiated claims.

If we are to believe that every single bad thing that has happened to Voat is the work of "Reddit's SJWs" they must be a highly organised, intelligent, and resourceful bunch, then what hope does Voat have?

Don't spread the legend of the bogeyman, and he ceases to have power.

You may be right, you may be wrong. No use making unsubstantiated claims.

If we are to believe that every single bad thing that has happened to Voat is the work of "Reddit's SJWs" they must be a highly organised, intelligent, and resourceful bunch, then what hope does Voat have?

Don't spread the legend of the bogeyman, and he ceases to have power.

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[–] Trollhydra 0 points 12 points 12 points (+12|-0) 2 years ago

Honestly, a lot of people are going off of past experiences here. This is pretty much what happened to 8chan when there was a mass migration there with SJWs bragging about what they are doing, and even some posting questionable images to the board screenshotting it before it gets deleted 5 minutes later and reporting it.

Honestly, a lot of people are going off of past experiences here. This is pretty much what happened to 8chan when there was a mass migration there with SJWs bragging about what they are doing, and even some posting questionable images to the board screenshotting it before it gets deleted 5 minutes later and reporting it.

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[–] edgelord 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) 2 years ago

He didn't say that every single bad thing that happens to us is the work of Reddit SJWs, just that this specific bad thing (which they said that they would do and after the fact said that they did do it) is the result of Reddit SJWs.

He didn't say that every single bad thing that happens to us is the work of Reddit SJWs, just that this specific bad thing (which they said that they would do and after the fact said that they did do it) is the result of Reddit SJWs.

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[–] Spank_My_Bottom 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) 2 years ago

You have cold head. Let's wait before we have more information to asses who to blame (besides PayPal organization).

You have cold head. Let's wait before we have more information to asses who to blame (besides PayPal organization).

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[–] Teh_Sauce_Guy 0 points 1 points 1 points (+1|-0) 2 years ago

Reddit, sorry, Voat, likes to subscribe to the "guilty until proven innocent" theory. Unless it involves themselves, then of course it's innocent until proven guilty, and proven guilty is just attempts at censorship.

Reddit, sorry, Voat, likes to subscribe to the "guilty until proven innocent" theory. Unless it involves themselves, then of course it's innocent until proven guilty, and proven guilty is just attempts at censorship.

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