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[–] 7553651 0 points 149 points (+149|-0) ago 

I agree with Option 1. We need to do whatever it takes to tell Reddit Trolls that they can't win here. If you delete the sub or let it fester and die then will claim victory. If you take it back from them they will say "we forced the admins to get involved!" which is a lot less to brag about.

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[–] 7554558 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

So we are in agreeance then?

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[–] 7871961 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree with Option 1. You will only give in to Reddit trolls if you let it implode or shut it down. Despite being something people don't like it is still under free speech and need to respect it.

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[–] 7554516 7 points -3 points (+4|-7) ago 

こんにちは誰もが、それは悟空! それらは私たちの管理者ではないです。

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[–] 7560306 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The means to control eddit are known and they will be repeated here. So long as we rely on people to curate subs, it will be easy to control popular subs.

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[–] 7566910 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

What's wrong with racism if it's based on informed and rational reason?

Why should people pretend to respect violent rape culture?

If we can't have honest and robust discussions about the global problems with black culture then nothing will ever be improved.

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[–] 7567035 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Please explain to me what the 1st amend is worth on an international website not hosted in the US alone? How does it trump all the other laws in countries were Voat content is being served via Cloudflare? Voat has to adhere to the laws of the countries their content is hosted in, Voat choose to use Cloudflare, thus choose to host their content on servers spread all over the world with different laws. I find it kind of silly that US law is the most important thing here. If so, please stop using Cloudflare OR make this a US only site by hosting it on US servers exclusively. @atko

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[–] 7564225 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I dislike that sub and I have it blocked. It should remain, however, according to the user's intent.

How do the admins decide which users get to dictate who runs a sub? This rule makes brigading miles easier.

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[–] 7553307 1 points 34 points (+35|-1) ago 

YES.

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[–] 7554018 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Totally agree. Rinse and repeat, although a pain, is the only way to maintain Voat's credibility.

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[–] 7553515 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I Second, freedom isn't free. Some things are met to be exceptions and some things need to be in the gray zone.

Also it is my suspicion that /u/WhiteSoIMustBeRacist may have just been hacked.

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[–] 7554323 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

If not hacked, then purchased. If it was a case of the account being hacked how hard is it to create a new account and make a ruckus?

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[–] 7553897 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I agree.

While I follow a more free market approach to this, like the free market in the real world, once a product is established it becomes increasingly harder for a competitor to appear. Much like brand-name association, something becomes popular by name or reputation a replacement will never truly succeed (minus the very small handfull of cases where they do, those are the exceptions). That's like the CEO of Twitter establishing itself one way and then once it became the dominate platform to decide to start kicking everyone out because their "vision" changed, the CEO needs to be removed by the shareholders. Option 1 is the best course.

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[–] 7554728 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Mods should be elected by a community's subscribers

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[–] 7553270 2 points 100 points (+102|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Rogue mod @whitesoimustberacist openly declared that he was taking the subverse and steering it away from its specifically stated purpose just to suit his own agenda.

This Reddit cancer mod did not want to start his own subverse because nobody would be interested -- so he instead specifically stole a subverse with over 6000 subscribers.

If you have been banned from v/niggers, then I am respectfully asking you to ping @atko and @puttitout in this post so that we can work together to have our voices heard and 'have our say.'

Thanks.

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[–] 7553446 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly,

atko,
then the users,
then to the mods.

But atko has chosen to give the site to the users so by his accounting it's (users -> atko -> moderators). The users would like to use the subverse.

You should be able to type in just about anything in /v/... and see something useful, or make something useful if it's empty.

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[–] 7555818 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

If you have been banned from v/niggers, then I am respectfully asking you to ping @atko and @puttitout in this post so that we can work together to have our voices heard and 'have our say.'

When a user is banned the moderator and date/time should be stored along with the ban to enable easy mass unbannings by a particular mod or date/time.

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[–] 7554933 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm guessing you're cancel-cat-facts?

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[–] 7554962 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Thanks

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[–] 7553648 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Me idiot? That's unpossible.

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[–] 7553394 1 points 77 points (+78|-1) ago 

Option 1.

But don't forget about v/Chicago. Same situation, to the letter.

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[–] 7558950 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

While we're at it. Can we please do something about @henrycorp. He's been doing the same exact thing as v/niggers and v/Chicago for months

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[–] 7563118 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

v/pizzagate pretty similar too

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[–] 7561763 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Did the v/Chicago mod create that subverse?

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[–] 7561890 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That doesn't matter here, mods do not own subs they curate them, they are spam janitors and nothing else.

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[–] 7562706 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't believe so. It's existed for a while and the mod has only been a member for about 2 days.

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[–] 7553217 2 points 74 points (+76|-2) ago 

Replace mods. These jerks are here to shit on people. If you let them, they'll keep taking over every sub they consider 'problematic' with the sole purpose of killing voat on sub at a time.

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[–] 7555032 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Good viewpoint. Also, don't let anyone fool you into thinking "investors" interested in a free speech forum will be deterred by certain subs. They are not trying to invest in free speech if they are not interested in free speech. This should be simple, but the OP thinks it is a valid viewpoint. It is not.

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[–] 7553383 1 points 62 points (+63|-1) ago 

Option 1

The other options give these jobless SJW-Powermods too much of a victory.

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[–] 7558990 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Please use option 1 for v/Chicago and all the @henrycorp subverses.

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[–] 7564649 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Seconded. henrycorp needs attention please

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[–] 7553228 2 points 50 points (+52|-2) ago 

Option 1 seems like the only reasonable action for promoting free speech and not bowing down to hostile takeovers.

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[–] 7553302 0 points 40 points (+40|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Voat is built of communities. Those communities grow organically over time because of the structure in place by the rules laid out by the community and codified by the mod. When a mod takes a community and drastically changes this structure it is a huge disruption, and most of the time the community will never recover.

If a sub goes through a bait-and-switch then the mod should be removed.

If you look at reddit, the r/politics community never recovered; they were fragmented to r/libertarian (which also attracted power-mods and has itself fragmented), etc. and now there is not a good place that everyone goes to for politics.

I'm not saying that nothing can ever change, but it needs to be clear that the new direction is desired by the community. A good example is the banning of memes, the sub might not have started with a rule against them, but if it is a factual sub, like /v/news or something, then it might be a rule that the community would get behind.

lastly, if you start doing things for investors then it will never stop, and you (or the investors) will be left with a pile of poo.

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[–] 7553543 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Great point. A mod who requests and is granted a sub should never be permitted to change the rules within that sub, without a consensus of the subscriber base. I'm not saying a sub can't change it's direction, or what is or isn't permitted, just that if it already has a subscriber base, they should have an input in any changes. A mod, in my opinion, doesn't 'own' the sub, nor can they dictate, when a request sub is granted, he is simply agreeing to take it on as it is for the Voat community, not as his own personal realm. If they want to do that, create your own new sub, with the rules they want, and then get your own subscriber base. Otherwise, before changing rules, make very, very sure that your subscriber base is up to the changes.

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[–] 7556601 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

If they let little bitches start pulling this shit everything will turn into r/punchablefaces

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[–] 7556579 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

You are so right about investors. Fuck them. Guess what Voat is selling... Real shit. Not a bunch of self censoring half truths carefully worded like PR so some fag mod wont ban you because it's fucking reddit. The unfiltered truth is hard to find and terrifying to some. But if you create an environment where it exists it's priceless.

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