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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ARCHES 14 points 44 points (+58|-14) ago  (edited ago)

So the janitor mods will be able to mod any number of subverses?

Doesn't this mean that there is a huge potential for a powermod situation if people can mod unlimited subs and delete posts?

Edit: Quick guys, he's making valid points, better downvote him so nobody can see.

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[–] Fambida 4 points 16 points (+20|-4) ago 

Yes it does. Janitor deletions will have to be subject to the same transparency as any other. Note who deleted something, the reason why, and have deletions be searchable by deleter so patterns are easy to detect.

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[–] Cynabuns 6 points 18 points (+24|-6) ago 

I can tell you that from the deletions so far, I copy and paste the post title and the submitter's name in my comment before deleting so that all is recorded in the mod logs.

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[–] Cynabuns 6 points 16 points (+22|-6) ago 

In fact, @Puttitout:

If you could do two things codewise to keep things on the up-and-up:

  • I suggest that you no longer strip-out the submitter's name from the post when it's deleted; also,
  • if you could implement the "reason for deletion" whether a comment or a post

These will be helpful to all mods sitewide.

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[–] HarveyHarveyJones 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Easy to detect... Like how easy it is to see henrycorps' obvious powermodding. Easy to detect but nothing to be done to stop it.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago 

This is something we will need to think about. I don't have the answer for this yet.

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[–] 2716057 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

I'm sure you'll figure it out (I have faith in you guys), but it's kind of scary that we don't have a plan in place before we implement this.

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[–] 6467475 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Perhaps have "crews" for certain sets of subs that relate to one another? I don't know how well it would work, I just came up with it really quickly.

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[–] Cuckbot 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

There definitely needs to be limits on this.

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[–] Disappointed 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They should be restricted to at maximum 5(I don't even like that but I understand 3 would mean more janitors also) and maybe even rotate them to a different set of 5 every so often.

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[–] 6466609 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

we have turned them down mostly because we have seen what malicious mods can do to subs when they “flip” (anon the sub, post malicious CSS, go on deletion purges, mod alts, etc.).

Why are level 2 mods on system subs still allowed to invite other level 2 mods then? Users are being added all the time to system subs with no vetting at all by admins.

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[–] kevdude 10 points 3 points (+13|-10) ago 

I think the announcement speaks directly to this issue.

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[–] 6466653 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Where?

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[–] mamwad 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago 

Are you still planning on updating the user agreement? It's important to know what privileges mod-users have in their own subs when it comes to curating content and what rights users have in specific subs.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

Yes. We've 100% slipped on this because of the delicacy of the wording.

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[–] mamwad 4 points 10 points (+14|-4) ago 

Yeah, it is a delicate situation. It is going to be tough to respect the right for small niche subs with unpopular content to exist without interference from the hivemind and still respect user freedom. Keep working at it please!

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[–] piratse 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

@puttitout, there may be a solution that can please everyone. But I'm sure it has its own flaws. If you insist on janitors, and you are super busy, you should try something ALONG THE LINES of a checks and balances. If someone wants to delete a ton of user s or goes on a delete spree, there should be another level of mods that monitor that, and they can be messaged by users concerned about censorship. Those mods would relay to you any issues that need to be addressed by the site owners. They don't have the power to ban mods, it's just a community over watch, that when they message you, you know it's serious. Here's how you keep that in check, those users must have X amount of time on the site, X amount of comments and/or submissions and X amount of upvotes. Here's the kicker, to prevent abuse, those are limited time permissions. 6 months, year, whatever. Think of it like your state Rep. Except they can't be voted back in. On the main page could be the user names of the current overwatch team and mod team. You would only need a few people each time. One term. Just a thought.

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[–] kevdude 6 points 7 points (+13|-6) ago 

there should be another level of mods that monitor that, and they can be messaged by users concerned about censorship. Those mods would relay to you any issues that need to be addressed by the site owners. They don't have the power to ban mods, it's just a community over watch, that when they message you, you know it's serious

v/protectvoat kind of does this now.

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[–] SackOfSteel 13 points -3 points (+10|-13) ago 

Shut the fuck up. You guys organize brigades.

[–] [deleted] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

[Deleted]

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

In code I'm calling it "Content Mass Murderer"

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[–] Cynabuns 14 points -3 points (+11|-14) ago 

I get the shirt for this, right, Right?! Aww, c'mon, at least a sticker for my broom then.

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[–] dontdoxxmebro 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Master of Custodial Sciences! or Dr. Jan Itor!

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[–] CANCEL-CAT-FACTS 14 points 9 points (+23|-14) ago 

If you look at the overview page for @Cynabuns it is obvious that this user has consistently been trying to help voat grow and improve this community for everyone. Thanks.

@HenryCorp

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[–] piratse 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

My problem is that @cynabuns isn't the problem in himself. It's the slippery slope. It's happened to every site like this, and it starts this way. 4chan and Reddit being the biggest examples. The problem with slippery slopes is that you can't stop them (short of ending the site). Intentions today are good, then it takes one fuck like @henrycorp to turn this place into a shit hole. It's the owners site, they can do whatever they want. Doesn't mean it is the right thing.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 10 points 7 points (+17|-10) ago 

the admins recently badged a user for shittalking another user.

they're completely replaced by sjws or they already were.

the slippery slope started with whoaverse - it was made by atif to be a safe-space for fee--fees.

he only changed his tune and allowed raycisists because well userbase.

that slippery slope has always been here...i mean technically, anyway...

i want a working platform for free speech on the net. i don't care where it is; i like voat and wish it were that platform, but the admins won't answer simple questions like:

"do you have any injunctions, super-injunctions, publication bans, on you/voat?"

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[–] dontdoxxmebro 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

It is that road to hell thing. Apparently they pave it with the intentions of good people. I wonder if that was a union contract?

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[–] Cynabuns 5 points 0 points (+5|-5) ago 

Thank you, CCF!

@HenryCorp

[–] [deleted] 8 points 8 points (+16|-8) ago 

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

Yes, I will check it out today. Need to do transfers first and read all the hate mail. ;)

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[–] jambo 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

far out dude you must get so sick of our shit :)

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[–] sinjinsmythe 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thank you for making and maintaining this website. I don't know much about code and what you described about managing Voat, but I do love this place and really appreciate all the work that has gone in and continues to go in here. Thanks again.

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[–] PM_ME_UR_NOODZ 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

I frequent /new, the spam's not that bad. Janitorial spam removal can be misused as well. Be careful.

[–] [deleted] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

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[–] PM_ME_UR_NOODZ 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Omg! For reals???? Did it get downvoated or.... no, you know what it doesn't matter. If spam was ever visible to anyone anywhere then it is absolutely unacceptable and all principles must be abandoned to ensure that it never happens again!

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