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[–] FriedFood100 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

This is what worries me about centralized national health care systems. They're often run heavy handed with one size fits all solutions.

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[–] SomewhatNeutral 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's being sabotaged.. The system is one of the best in the world and has absolutely no reason to fail.

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[–] UnknownCitizen 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In the health care market, due to the necessity of the service being delivered, there is generally little to no elasticity. The bargaining power of a centralized government system in the marketplace can help keeps costs low by utilizing its weight, but things like this can also happen.

In this case it looks like the government wants to expand services without adequately compensating the workers. Why would anyone, anywhere, in their right mind, want to work more hours for less money?

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[–] PrincessVB 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's not like our programs pay much better with any sort of decent hours. In fact, the typical TJU graduate comes out with $250,000 in debt. That's huge.

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[–] FriedFood100 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

A close relative of mine is an RN, and she makes bank. Her hours aren't ideal but they're also not crazy. She hardly had any debt from schooling, so I guess it all varies.

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[–] Thin_White_Duke 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So then I hope this worries you about ALL centralized national systems.

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[–] escapefromredditbay 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

ok, so, if i got handed a contract like the strikers were, that would be some bullshit. 7 to 10 every day except saturday, is prolly gonna make some doctors make serious, dangerous mistakes due to overwork

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[–] thatguyiam 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

7 to 10? WTF?

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[–] Apathy 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

From what I've read, they want all the doctors to work 96 hours a week. That's 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, with a whole 20 minute break.

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[–] PrincessVB 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Serious abuse of salaried employees is the new problem we're facing.

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[–] parrygrin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You guys realize that American "junior doctors" (residents) stay at the hospital for 36 hours at a time, right?

The law says they can't work more than 80 hours a week, averaged over two weeks, and they still all lie on their time sheets, because if their residency program loses accreditation, it derails their career in a way that is hard to recover from.

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[–] Sterfry 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

That's not the way i interpreted that article. The way it is now, doctors make more money working off hours, an overtime pay type deal, hours classified as antisocial. The government wants to reclassify antisocial hours. The strike is by the newest of the medical field, those who work the most antisicial hours. Their pay could be cut dramatically if most of their hours were at these higher rates.

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[–] escapefromredditbay 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

how is working overtime when you can, an evil thing? some of the people signing might have never used it for overtime, and spent as much time out of work as they could, but now they too, are forced to work longer hours.

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[–] gota_party 7 points 7 points (+14|-7) ago 

Vice. LOL

70% walk-out of Junior doctors.

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[–] WeekendBaker 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I don't know why you got the downvoat hug. It is junior doctors, which basically means inexperienced, still in training doctors. That's an important distinction.

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[–] UnknownCitizen 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Its also important to note that they have a massive amount of school debt. This isn't a field where you want to attract the lowest bidder.

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[–] Benweiser22 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hold on!! STFU!!! I'm about to bust my clickbait nut!

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[–] CloudYeller 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is just a bunch of whining from the Med students. It's not forcing them to work more hours then they already do. They get a 13% increase in base pay and in exchange the gov changed when overtime kicks in. If you work any hours outside of 7am-10pm weekdays or 7a-7pm weekends then you get overtime pay as well. The previous contract had the weekday overtime start at 7pm.

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[–] acheron2012 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

At it's most basic level THIS is why socialism is not just evil, but why it is unworkable. When you remove free will from one of the participants you are left with a situation which if it happens in the privacy of your own home is a felony known as "Domestic Abuse".

Dr. Hendricks:

“I quit when medicine was placed under State control some years ago. Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun.

I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything except the desires of the doctors.

-- Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged

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[–] Sikozen 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Oh gee. It's almost like a universal healthcare system run by a government might not keep the best interests of patients/physicians at heart. What a shocker.

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[–] Bfwilley 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

But it a single payer system, socialized medicine, how could it be bad or make doctors want to quit or strike??????????????????

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[–] Bfwilley 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Unless it's all down hill from here.

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[–] the_magic_man 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The American system is absolutely dogshit, the NHS is far, far better

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[–] SomewhatNeutral 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

That would be a good idea, actually. It would work great for the United States.

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[–] UnknownCitizen 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Your comment is ignorant and ill informed. Did you even read the article?