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[–] truthwoke33 4 points 127 points (+131|-4) ago  (edited ago)

What are your plans to mitigate user abuse e.g. creating a secret CP sub or a harassment sub? I've always been of the opinion that private communication should be relegated to a different platform, as it is the antithesis of a public forum for open discussion.

What internal reasons are there to create hidden subs? Why use resources on a feature that wasn't requested by users?

It's a bit redundant, no?

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

Somewhat related: You shouldn’t call a service private if the operator is able to access the content at will.

“Gated” might be a more accurate term.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 5 points 23 points (+28|-5) ago 

This is a very good point. Every feature we dev has a negative side to it, and what you mention is one.

Maybe some way to counter/offset this perhaps?

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[–] sakuramboo 0 points 65 points (+65|-0) ago 

Unless all users can interact with a subverse, there should not be any affect to SCP/CCP in said subverse.

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[–] Honey_Pot 2 points 48 points (+50|-2) ago 

Maybe some way to counter/offset this perhaps?

Kill all the Pedos?

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[–] truthwoke33 13 points 19 points (+32|-13) ago  (edited ago)

And as expected, you give non-answers to softball questions.

Why are you using resources on a feature that nobody requested? How does this benefit users?

Putt, honestly, from me to you. What is the point of this. Why bother with an AMA if you're going to be so aloof about it?

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[–] Justsomebullshitname 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

The very word secrecy is repugnant.

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[–] draaaak 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

private communication should be relegated to a different platform, as it is the antithesis of a public forum for open discussion.

Exactly this.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yep, Discord was created for exactly this kind of gay shit. And it's become an internet faggotry and gay op breeding ground.

The platform dictates the behavior. See also Twitter. Leave Voat as it is, or it will become Voat + Secret Gay Clubhouse Voat.

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[–] Crensch 5 points 1 points (+6|-5) ago 

So, no more direct messages that nobody else can see?

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[–] SpottyMatt 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

In my mind, this is the biggest concern over private subverses as you cannot really maintain meaningful transparency of any sort while still allowing meaningful privacy.

Does voat's general population of users have real use cases for private subverses? If not, consider not making this feature available to the general population and keeping it internal.

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[–] AbyormenitePiranha 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

This feature will make voat into reddit only if the administrators force selected subverses to be private. It is logically impossible that providing more freedom for subverse mods will cause less freedom.

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[–] Crensch 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

What about direct messages?

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[–] dontforgetaboutevil 6 points 67 points (+73|-6) ago 

Sounds like a great way to deplatform problem subs exactly the way Reddit does. Sub causing problems for advertising? Click private and boom it's gone. Sounds shitty to me and like a step backwards. Looks like your gonna do it anyway so my feeding back is kind of a waste of time. I mean why even bother asking for feedback if you declare this is what your gonna do anyway and not even explain why this is necessary or beneficial to us users?

Us users who have heard shit like this before and been burned by it.

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 9 points 21 points (+30|-9) ago 

Never once have I considered this as a way to silence subs, but with anything we need to think about things like this.

Maybe force a Vote by the community before allowing a change?

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[–] 70times7 3 points 44 points (+47|-3) ago 

Never once have I considered this as a way to silence subs

Now you have.

Please dont make voat reddit.

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[–] dontforgetaboutevil 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago 

Why do you think private subs are necessary? I'm curious. I can think of plenty of subs I would rather not see again but that is just me being a censoring asshole in my own head.

What does voat gain from private subs?

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

IMO Subs should be private/gated at time of creation or not at all.

People that post in a sub shouldn’t have to worry about the sub later going public and private shouldn’t be a way to close formerly public subs.

Maybe even give them a different prefix to avoid squatting.

/p/ vs /v/ for instance

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Allow everyone to read the subverse but only allow certain people to post?

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[–] tokui 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Jootube uses similar to suppress vids - they make unsearchable, no comments, etc.

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[–] Epictetus_Hierapolis 1 points 51 points (+52|-1) ago 

I come to voat because everything is open.

I do not like the idea of private subs.

I really do not like the secret investor.

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[–] Captain_Faggot 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

accessible by all Voat employees

all.

How many fucking employees are rolling around in the background then?

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[–] PuttItOut [S] 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Do you have to rub it in my face that I'm all alone. :(

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[–] Crensch 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Private messages already exist. How is this functionally any different?

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[–] Epictetus_Hierapolis 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Pms are between users. A private sub is between a community.

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[–] Scooby_Dooby_D00 0 points 47 points (+47|-0) ago 

The only issue I see with private subs is If some ass hat decides they don't like Voat, They make a private sub and stuff it with Cp to get Voat taken down.

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[–] 16513233? 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

Exactly why provide a platform for people to do things like this in private... bad bad bad idea.

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[–] SIayfire122 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

All private subs should be accessible to Putts and Atko at all times. Privacy from users is different than privacy of admins.

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[–] MisplacedMan 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

That makes no real difference, right? If we take Plebbit for example, the admins and owners were in bed with the top mods of karma farming and cp subreddits.

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[–] theoldones 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

aged will be the cp poster.

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[–] ForTheUltimate 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Instead of having one majoritarian CCP rule in voat, everyone can just make private subs lol

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[–] Conspirologist 6 points 40 points (+46|-6) ago 

If this is a free speech site, there is no need for private subverses, unless they are perverted degenerates.

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[–] AmazingAutist 5 points 34 points (+39|-5) ago  (edited ago)

This. Must be an idea by the (((new investor))).

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[–] Conspirologist 4 points 21 points (+25|-4) ago 

Yes, of course. Changes started to happen right after the (((investor))).

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[–] fuckmyreddit 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

It was fun while it lasted.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

I've used private (secret) groups on facebook for a variety of regular things, like organising events that you don't want the whole world to see or internal organisation for clubs.

That said, I think you're right. Allowing people to have private forums on voat would not end well.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Facebook is like the opposite of Voat though

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[–] Crensch 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

Explain to me how this is functionally any different than an aesthetic change to private messages.

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[–] AttackHelicopter 7 points 36 points (+43|-7) ago 

My first thought was "fuck off back to Reddit." Then I saw who posted it. Voat is doomed.

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[–] Demonsweat2 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

Waiting for the "You must be new here" comments.

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[–] Crensch 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

Voat is doomed because a more convenient version of the already existing private messages is being proposed?

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[–] derram 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Gotta remember, a large portion of the userbase thinks that they should have the power to dictate what is allowed to be discussed on the free speech website.

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[–] username-way-too-lon 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

That's a bit of an over-reaction, don't you think?

Putt has already explained the reasoning for this post. He's bouncing ideas off the community. He hasn't implemented anything, it was simply an idea. It's clear the majority of Voat doesn't like the idea, so it won't be implemented. What's the problem here?

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[–] admin2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

But (((some people))) must have requested it.

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[–] keksupreme 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

terrible idea.

this will lead to mass censorship by mods like it does in reddit

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