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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Holy shit, so much going on with this episode! YES.

I loved Frank's talk with Stan's son. It kind of also explains why he has more of a cool, calm and collected persona. He said he had five pivotal points in his life and I'm wondering if any of those points have to do with the rest of the season. In fact, I liked Frank way more this episode. The silent standoff between him and Ray was a good scene too. Him freaking out Irena being killed made him seem more human and caring.(Fuck those Mexican guys for doing that.)

I'm worried about Athena too. Shit. She's the only family that Ani cares about and now she's in danger. That was a crazy orgy house of orgy. Did anyone recognize any of the (male) faces in there? The knife reflex scene - awesome.

When Ray met up with the "real rapist", I was actually feeling bad for the rapist because he looked legitimately confused, brain condition or not. The kid has red hair yes, but red hair is supposed to be recessive so I don't know. Ray truly does love his son since he's willing to not be a part of his life anymore just to be remembered as his father. Props.

I'm sure I'm missing stuff, but overall: best episode so far.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm hoping the last two episodes will be just as or more intense!

The party looked like something out of a gangbang porn.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Mayor and Chief of Police were in there, that was a big fucking deal, going to be interesting to see how their story lines finish this season. I was worried the ending would rush out too fast and still am, but the pacing this season thus far has been on point and hasn't bored me, or over stimulated me yet.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks! I thought I should've recognized someone, but it's been a bit toughing keeping track this season. I don't know how I missed the mayor doh.

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

I got weepy when Ray asked his wife to never tell Chad that Ray isn't his father. Chad man, such a typical lump of a kid. Just wants to eat pizza and watch Friends.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Friends started airing more than 20 years ago! I'm kind of fist pumping the kid wanted to watch a (now) classic show versus some other junk on TV haha.

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Knife workout scene!! Finally! I've been waiting for that one scene all season. Who knows their martial arts? Krav Maga, right?

Athena's gonna get "Game of Throned", I bet. Ani used her name to get into the party, killed a big wig and a thug, people are going to want retaliation. I think Thena is now a walking target. :-(

Ani's rapist looked familiar? Maybe? Have we seen him before or is he just some random pedo?

Wtf is up with Chad's gene pool? He doesn't look like his raping father either - Ray even said in the jail scene. Wrong guy? Again? Is the paternity test going to prove that? My pet theory is it was Ivar, Frank's ginger thug. I'm not ready to give that up yet.

And then when Paul was talking to the retired cop about the jewelry store heist, he said the kids who were hiding couldn't I.D. the perps because they were wearing masks. I immediately thought, "Animal masks?" Probably not though...

I don't know how Frank's going to find the hard drive with the incriminating evidence. I think Blake has it. I think Blake was Crow Man too. And I think he is a cop. The cops are bought by the rich guys, that's how they have free reign to do all the nasty things they do.

I need to get me a nail gun. Those look handy. For all kinds of things. Heh. >:-)

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Ani's rapist doesn't look familiar to me, but it makes me think it happened when her dad was doing that cult thing so maybe that's why she's so resentful.

You've got some really good theories.

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Omg, I forgot about the Frank and Ray "Han Solo and Greedo" scene at the beginning, too! It was distracting, I kept waiting for the alien band to strike up a little ditty in the background. You know that if there was gunfire, it would've been Ray who shot first.

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Lol!! I did! I forgot all about poor Stan and his bright and shiny, gold filled kid. Ha!

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[–] mjmoore 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just watched the episode for a second time. Something really jumped out at me about the history of the diamond heist, which I sort of stopped paying attention to after Dixon took a bullet to the head: the age of the children. The girl would be born in 1988, and the boy a bit before that. Anyone remember the weird stink eye that the set photographer gave Caspere's secretary when she was on the set of that Mad Max sort of film?

She had just started working for Caspere a few month's before his death. The photographer knew about the "walls of pussy" parties attended by powerful and wealthy men. Given Caspere's age (DL said DOB is 1948), it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that he could have been part of the jewel heist and execution that occurred under the cover of the LA Riots. The kids grew up, did some research, and put themselves in place to get revenge, and reclaim $2.5 million worth of blue diamonds that are, legally speaking, their inherited property.

More interestingly, this does not specifically forbid Burris' involvement. Caspere had people like the AG on tape (well, hard drive), presumably from continuing to party at his fuckpad after the parties ended at the upscale mansion. He may have even captured footage of something a lot worse than a married man screwing a prostitute. Burris could have conspired with the now fully grown "children" to kill Caspere, and tortured him prior to the murder to find out what else had to be done to make sure the AG was covered. It also seems likely that the dead female's blood in the shed was the product of interrogation, up until the arterial spray (throat cutting). She could have known about or been helping Caspere by taking men to his second home after the parties. Burris gets Frank's money, either through good timing or sheer luck, and a lifetime of cover from the AG (and potential governor) he has been helping. The kids get their diamonds back. Caspere gets staged publicly, easily identified, in order to warn off any other would be blackmailers.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That is a total plausible and excellent theory!

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[–] mjmoore 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That actor is hispanic, he has been on Eastbound & Down, among other things. The idea that he would be the biological father of a pasty white redhead is farcical (and yes, I know who Canulo Alvarez is).

The orgy scene was not terribly interesting other than Mcandless and the Russian mobster being in business. Best parts of the episode by far were Frank's scenes. It helped illustrate the incongruity of someone who just nabbed five million dollars bothering with a pawn shop.

A white "cop" who knew enough to pay somebody money to get caught on camera pawning a dead man's wares. Leads to the case being closed while still sending a message to the right people with Caspere's murder. The bloody shed raises some interesting questions. Was a party girl interrogated for more information regarding blackmail material? And was Stan working with Caspere to blackmail the wrong people? Franks's redhead underling is the "talent scout" for the outings, so Stan could be hired help that got his hands dirty.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I still don't get how they could tell the blood belonged to a female in the shack.

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I had to look up Canulo Alvarez. Huh. Great point.

Maybe the white "cop" is James Frain. He's my backup choice.

And yeah, why exactly was Stan executed? That's a good theory you have there.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I must say that Vince Vaugh and Colin Farell's acting was amazing in this episode. I was on the edge of my fucking seat, it reminded me of the bar scene in Inglorious Basterds without the death, but all the tension. I also really enjoyed Vince Vaugn's interaction with the Cartel guys, he continues to be smooth and commanding even under duress. I haven't believed a mob type figure so much since Tony Soprano, and almost wish Vaughn had a spin off based on this character and Velcoro's earlier days.

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[–] sactostar 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

It is sad that this show has sunk so low. I feel like this is just dragged out and stringing me along.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's OK if you're not liking the show, but at least list reasons why.

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[–] sactostar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Story- I was expecting a full departure from season 1, I knew it took place in L.A. and that it would be different. I had high hopes of a great noir or Pulp type season. I heard who they cast and had high hopes. (I am aware this my be incorrect, but I find myself blaming the SJW's who attacked the first season for the current season not being as good, still no excuse for writing) Characters- The characters in this season are much more diverse, there seem to be double the number of central characters, and only a fraction of the depth. There is so much that could be build up for these characters. Season one, (maybe its the acting power from season one) they could accomplish so much with several lines of dislodge and the characters expressions while riding in a car. Current season, two characters drive in a car, both brooding in isolation, she sucks on her e-cig and stares out the window, he broods in self loathing. Is this deliberate? It feels empty, like they scrapped to dislodge, to me it feels empty and I want to feel like I did in season one, I want to see these characters develop and bond and I want to care about them, but all I get is strung along and a feeling of stale nothing...I feel like this must be deliberate, there isn't any development, there isn't even a body at the shack crime scene. This could all be deliberate, just driving home the nothingness or lack of, right off the heels of season one, which was so good. I feel that the actors are strong, but not much character development has happened. For being police they have done some very over the top unbelievable things. An angry petulant Woman child who broods and is master of the knife, we discover after the molly kicks in that she was molested and then she wigs out and kills a man. A self loathing homosexual who has tried to literally Fight the gay away who broods and is always right behind the woman child. A shady land developer/gangster, who was clean but lost his money and now just walks back into his old life of crime, taking back a club and apartment building that he had given up, with no resistance or blow back.
Colin Farrell is the only good character in my opinion. I went on too long sorry...its just empty and thrown crumbs to keep us hanging on. Two episodes left, more morsels in this one, just enough to be entertained. but no more.

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[–] WorldWideSpiderWeb 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

I'm done with Vince Vaughn. I keep wanting so bad to like his acting ability. But he just ain't gonna come through for me.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I love any response and discussion here so yay for that. I love him in this show though, him fist fighting the club guy, and now calling Velcoro his friend. He reminds me of a Tony Soprano type character and I like the balance to his morality as a criminal, it's interesting.

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[–] sactostar 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

I agree with that!

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[–] HelloCthulhu 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

Wait. Is the show suggesting that Ani is a size queen who's into rough sex because she has suppressed memories of being raped as a little girl? Because, yuck. That bit of characterization seems to be on par with the "Paul is gay because of his terrible single mom" school of 1950s psychiatry.

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[–] takshis [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

size queen

Is that a typo?

Are you saying yuck as in Ani's current sexual preferences or that she was raped? Calling Paul gay is kind of a generalization, don't you think? Bisexual, maybe. He did get a woman pregnant after all.

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[–] sactostar 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

But they show Paul taking his pill and hanging out in a bathroom before having sex with her, as if he cant get an erection from her unless he has some help. Paul is pretty clearly a self loathing homosexual, in my opinion.

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[–] HelloCthulhu 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"Size queen", based on hand-me-down lingo from gossip about Janet Jackson many moons ago, means a women who favors big dicks (apparently it also applies to gay men with the same preference). TD2 went out of its way to establish this for Ani. Ditto the implied rough sex from episode 1.

I'm saying yuck to NP's possibly implied el cheapo cause-and-effect that repressed molestation as a child would lead to subconscious desires for similar sexual experiences as an adult.

And I agree with sactostar: Paul is self-hating gay man with a domineering/selfish mother, which is also el cheapo sexual-preference psychology. He is forcing himself to act straight, but he really isn't. I had a friend like this in college. It's not healthy. I dunno about my friend's motivations though (and it was many years ago, in a less open social climate).