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[–] 7e62ce85 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

What if, let's be crazy for a moment, WHAT IF the productive people of society just got to keep their money and then spent it themselves on having productive children and paid for their own insurance?

/v/EmergencyNation

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[–] MaggieMcC 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Before immigration laws were changed to permit people of NO means of support to come here,immigrants used to pay taxes as well. Now they are too often supported by citizens, men and women. Trump's recent order to deny many welfare benefits to green card holders should give relief to actual citizens.

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[–] Doctopus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

And the approval rating is about to go through the roof.

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[–] Doctopus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Would lead to nonproductive people starving, and likely killing productive people over their resources when they got the chance. Then society would collapse. That's assuming productive people didn't band together in some way to avoid this (cast out the poor? kill?). Starvation directly increases aggression and violence while decreasing higher cognitive function. What would probably solve all our problems in one generation is a form of eugenics where you had to EARN the right to reproduce by proving you are able to be a productive member of society by an objective standard. We could still feed people on welfare basic rations and allow them to try and become active participants in society. This would be the most humane way to stabilize society IMO.

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[–] 7e62ce85 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's assuming productive people didn't band together in some way to avoid this (cast out the poor? kill?).

Under Emergency Nation rules socialists and other violent religions are exiled.

You are also exiled if you can't pay the yearly citizen fee or do service instead.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

in regard to the post I'm just talking about the problems in the system we have, rather than passing judgement on the system

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[–] shawnfromnh69 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I bet that is a huge secret in their eyes that the Democrats do not want their voters knowing since if that got out it would seem that the beggars are all victims but the hard working tax payers are all at fault for them not trying hard enough to be able to support everyone else and not complain or vote republican because they are so lucky to be white males and have responsibilities that we take seriously.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

no even if you can get them to see these facts in their eyes it just feeds back into the whole privilege/oppression narrative and the only reason that brown people and women are so unproductive is because of how "oppressed" they are just like the issue with crime rates and socioeconomic achievement, they continue to make excuses for these burdens and their failures. I'm curious as to why no one ever oppresses Asians in such a way

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[–] benjitsu 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think it is funny that many East Asians came here in slavery or worse conditions (or even as ACTUAL refugees) and managed to get their shit together in the span of a few generations. So much so that they are now being lumped in with "whites" as far as many SJW's and campuses are concerned. If I were Asian and trying to get into school I would claim native status

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[–] VoatsNewfag 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

do not want their voters knowing

Many of them would probably still vote democrat since they benefit from this transaction. They are probably more afraid that the majority of cucked white men will figure this out and lose their guilt complexes!

I also had some success by using this as an argument against white feminist/socialist women. It makes them lose confidence in their supposed moral highground and they appeared much less smug after bringing this fact up. Some that had hard working sons I could even make to emphasize with the perspective of men, since even if they have little empathy for males in general they usually still have empathy for their sons being used as tax slaves for the benefit of strangers.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"independent" women are really a problem

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[–] MaggieMcC 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

President Trump has made great strides in denying welfare benefits to holders of green cards.

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[–] Redpills_Beyond 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

this is unreal. great post

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[–] hang_em_high 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'm still not even sure what benefits I am actually receiving from the government. It seems like a pretty one-way transaction on the federal level to me.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

it's funny because lots of other people especially in cities full of brown skin run by democrats have the opposite experience they pay nothing despite receiving benefits. Taxation is a half duplex transmission, it sends and receives but only one way at a time if you're sending you won't get anything back and when you're taking it doesn't ask anything of you

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[–] hang_em_high 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Even the things I do benefit from such as roads, DMV, trash, police, fire, state parks (okay I will concede national parks as well), utilities are all state and city level items that I don't mind paying for.

I am honestly not sure what the Federal government is giving me. Everything they touch ends up ruining the entire industry and costing me more than if they weren't involved like health insurance and student loans.

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[–] MaggieMcC 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Roads? Bridges? Not in good shape. Cameras to record your novements? That's a benefit???

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[–] hang_em_high 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I am more than happy to pay for the roads I use. I am not okay with paying for a bunch of freeloading fucks.

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[–] derram 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

https://archive.fo/qnvaw :

The Facts On Tax Rates: Who Pays What


This has been an automated message.

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[–] nikitis 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The democrats have rigged the system against White males as they are the most prosperous. It also helps foster their goals Make America For Sale. Also the reason they are pushing Diversity so hard. Diversity is fine if it happens naturally, but forcing it only breads content and racism for each other.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Diversity is fine if it happens naturally

I disagree, a nation is it's people and the racial/ethnic groups are different.

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[–] Osmanthus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I followed the source link in the second link, and the sources for that, and I was unable to confirm the facts claimed. The exact source for each number, and the formulas used are not provided.

So, don't bother to believe this data unless you are going to prove it with base statistics from government web sites.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

the link provided at the very bottom (this) has detailed information, including on methodology, on the same topic just without a convenient visual representation

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[–] Osmanthus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I had already seen that page. My claim stands.

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[–] Colonel_Questionmark 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And now you know why we have taxes.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

actually that's a whole other story and an important part of our history if you look at the articles of confederation our government wasn't actually supposed to have taxation power at all because the one of main reasons they rebelled against England was it's governments abuses of taxation, but long story short that was more unrealistic than they realized

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[–] benjitsu 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It is amazing that the America of several hundred years ago is somehow better at math :)

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