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[–] OspreyMan 0 points 23 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago
I'll answer you with a question for you to ponder.
What good does insurance do for people if it costs more to use it than you could afford in the first place due to high deductibles that have skyrocketed due to surging costs for the insurance industry? When nobody can afford to use it, at this point, what difference does it make? You could have 100 million people "lose it" but they couldn't use it to begin with.
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[–] OspreyMan 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
The whole system is broke. Doctors believe they should make 200k plus a year for a fairly automated job thanks to software applications and provider protocols. Pharmacists think they deserve 150k for the same and basic memorization, and usually being drop out chem majors. Facilities buy brand new machines every year to keep up with the Jones, except improvement is usually minimal or negligible year over year. Pharma charges utilizing schemes that are fucked up. For example, there's a common drug for Hep A or C (been a while since I did CDC work). It's about 90 cents to make a dose. In Iran, due to the country's GDP, you can buy it for about 4 bucks. Here it costs about $13000 if memory serves me right. Pricing for individuals based off of GDP of residence country. Not making this up. Many drugs are priced in similar fashion, even Cancer drugs and inhalers.
This drives the cost of everything up. Sick people go in, get slapped with a 30,000 ER bill and that is paid by those in the insurance pool. You may not consume shit, but someone else consumed a lot and a broken system made it mind bogglingly expensive.
[–] wgtt911 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Bingo.. don't have and never had obummer care.. my deductible went from 1200 a year to 12000, plus the max out of pocket is now 20k, I can't afford to get a serious illness...
[–] OspreyMan 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I had Obummer care for 3 months due to a lapse in job. From December to February 2 years ago. I saw my premium go up slightly from 1 year to the next but my deductible doubled. Thankfully I've got good care through work now with a modest premium, but I know how much it costs them and it's ridiculous.
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[–] OspreyMan 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Ok, 1)they are lieing to get their way. The guy who designed this was caught on camera saying it was a good thing how dumb Americans are or it would have never passed. 2) The same guy who designed it also recently said on Tucker Carlson that only those who previously would have been excluded, admittedly a very small percentage of the population, benefit from this. When pressed all he could say is it's fair to those people. But he refused to respond to why it's fair to those who must pay more so the few can get some benefits. 3) If you have no insurance at all, the hospital still legally has to treat you. If they don't, they will get sued and physicians will get licenses removed. Nobody would die because they don't have health insurance. You die from diseases, accidents, etc. Not the lack of a financial construct aimed at protecting your finances from catastrophic loss.
[–] AncientArachnid 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
There are very definitely people who are benefiting from Obamacare. Primarily they are people who don't have employer-provided coverage, aren't seniors, and don't (or didn't) qualify for Medicaid.
Many of them have chronic illnesses or conditions, known as pre-existing conditions. Pre-existing conditions are enormously expensive for insurers to cover, and Obamacare required them to do so.
Are the stories you've seen in the media, about people who haven't been able to see a doctor are now able to, or someone who has had to forego diabetes or high blood pressure treatment now can have it treated, true? They certainly are. Obamacare helped many people, not all of them leeches. Did it help as many as the left claims? I doubt it. Are 20, or 40, or however many, million people gonna just POOF die in the street the instant Obamacare is dismantled? Absolutely not, that's typical leftist fear-mongering.
We need to find a way to enable health care access for those relatively few people who need it and don't otherwise have it, WITHOUT imposing a disproportionately crushing burden on tens, or hundreds, of millions of others, and their employers.
Edit: to your college analogy. It's more like absolutely everyone is required to go to college. Those who can't pay for it get financial aid. Those who can pay for it do, but for those people college now costs six times more than it did before.