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[–] LonElliott 3 points 43 points (+46|-3) ago  (edited ago)

If you could dupe your neighbor into building you a house, even though you made 100K plus a year, would you do it? Convince your neighbor that by buying and building your house, and then giving it to you, the neighborhood values would go up and everyone would win. You know you would take the free house.

Sure, I still think the NFL is evil, but they only do it because they can get away with it. Your fight is not with the NFL. Your fight is with the local government that taxes you to do it.

Edit: Some folks think I am actually talking about convincing my neighbor to build me a house and not seeing the analogy in my statement. I assure you, none of my neighbors where hurt in the making of this post.

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[–] Orthum 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

The tax breaks for business’s stuff is such faggotry on a level unseen.
Hey hey build, pollute and hire workers here, don't unionize and pay shitty here, come on in, and no you don't have to pay taxes for 10 whole YEARS!, and then they are left confused and unsure of why that company left 10 years later when the tax breaks dried up and they moved their operations to another city 3 states away for the same breaks..
This shit should be illegal but local governments love sucking the dick of business.

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[–] dirkgently 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

sucking the dick of BIG business.

FTFY. They don't give a rats ass about the small businesses.

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[–] Pwning4Ever 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

This is the problem with Occupy wallst. They should have been pissed at the government, not so much at wall st.

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[–] PushYourself 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Your fight is with the local government that taxes you to do it.

This is exactly right. Taxpayers are subsidizing themselves and pretending it stimulates the economy.

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[–] TheBeesTrees 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Personally I'd like to think that I have a higher moral standard than that, but I can't really say unless the situation actually happens...

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

TIL big corporations are evil

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[–] CirdanValen 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

TIL big corporations backed by the government are evil

FTFY

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

So... All big corporations?

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[–] Jpaul199 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

TIL big organizations of any kind are evil

FTFY

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[–] Forbin 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

What do you expect? Guys who like sports overwhelmingly push for horseshit like this because they want teams to come/stay in their cities. Dudes justify all sorts of stupid shit--I remember back during the OJ trial listening to otherwise "normal" dudes engage in mental gymnastics arguing that OJ DIDN'T kill his wife--not because of any "evidence" but based solely on their admiration for him as a player.

And if you think that subsidizing stadiums with tax-money is bad, take a look at how much you subsidize ESPN on cable, even if you don't watch it. If cable TV went a la carte, it would cost ~$20 just for ESPN.

The entire Sports industry (including college sports) is supported by a bunch of douche-bag guys who make the rest of us subsidize their interest.

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[–] bagano1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The college thing is even WORSE. The athletes SHOULD be getting paid, at least officially and legally. They SHOULDN'T be grateful for a scholarship. They were recruited by several schools to play for year to year scholarships to be on the team. Their job is to be a football player. It's a bit depressing to hear some of the idiotic arguments by privileged white guys that college athletes shouldn't be paid. If I get really mad, I tell them that many of these players were highly sought after and didn't have mom and dad give them a car and spending money like they did. Oh yeah, in the US, you'll always hear people bullshit about working during college and all that, but many are getting a ton of money and privileges from the parents, or get great jobs from them or their buddies. Listen to their parents when they're out at dinner or their close friends. However, they don't feel athletes should be paid because they think they need to act like interns and pretend to be ascetic, working for free, gaining work experience, after which, they will be given a plush job. That's just not how college sports should work. I loved it when Drew Henson quarterbacked for Michigan. He also played for the Yankees minor league system in the summer and signed like a $2 million contract with them. I was like, how can the NCAA argue that amateur athletes shouldn't make money in their sports but it's ok for them to do it in a sport like baseball for the MLB? It couldn't be any more obvious the whole thing is a racket.

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[–] Forbin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree with you 100%. College athletes actually don't even have time to work since practice and travel take so much time. But like you said, obnoxious sports "fans" will bend over backwards to justify the exploitation. There is something about being a sports fan that just makes you want to fuck over other people to feed your addiction. I wish team-based professional sports would just disappear. But unfortunately, that just ain't gonna happen. Maybe if enough people lose interest, the rest of us can have enough influence to quit subsidizing all the bullshit. Corporate welfare is the REAL problem with our fucked up economy.

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[–] hels 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It was OJs kid that murdered OJs wife. How do you not know this?

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[–] barset 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

But it's for tourists and brings in additional tax revenue and adds more jobs to an area.

While all valid reasons I can't just go open a shop on tax payer dollar even though it could do the same as those, granted not on the same scale as those either, but if a state or city is willing to foot the bill for that why not at least offer grants to start ups under the same premise? How many businesses could one build and open with the same amount it takes to build a stadium?

Also if you dig up the live disc for the early 2000s Pearl Jam Seattle show Vedder gets into this shit and gets rather pissy about it and understandably so.

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[–] barset 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Right. But they bought tickets and probably a soda so that's like a couple bucks of tax revenue. Multiple by 70% of the stadium to account for those who didn't buy shit there. So each game probably racks in a few grand I taxes so over the life of the stadium it might break even.

Semi sarcasm aside I agree. The argument is mostly bunk, it holds some water but not as much as they'd like when it's laid out.

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[–] bagano1 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It's just useless to argue with guys like him. Don't waste your time, he wants to believe in fairy tales.

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[–] demi_god_dylan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Right, stadiums are for more than sports but its still interesting (or disgusting) to see how much the CEO's make.

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[–] barset 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I agree. Proportionally I'd have expected the CEO to make more but I'm not surprised by the amount. There's not a lot of gripe because the people that work for them are all paid probably very well but the whole thing is a racket like FIFA. Same shit different sport much larger scale.

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[–] Mr_YUP 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Eddie Vedder gets pissy about a lot of political things on stage. It gets annoying.

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[–] barset 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree. I think he had a valid point with that one since on the grounds any other company looking to do the same thing would have to pay their own bill. You don't hear about tax payer funded Targets and they likely add more revenue to the tax stream in one holiday season than any single NFL stadium does in a year.

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[–] bagano1 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

These things are a fucking boondoggle. Economists and Accounting firms all concur. Often times, the old stadiums aren't even paid off. See St. Louis and Indianapolis. The teams include all sorts of stipulations that the stadium must be in the top 10 in terms of amenities or some bullshit in 10 or 20 years, which is a way of scamming themselves into a new stadium. Think about this as well, if a new stadium will supposedly revitalize the economy, why didn't the old one do this to begin with? It's so stupid. Worst thing is, all these things do is provide a dozen or few dozen guys with large salaries, and the workers in the stadium, working outside in restaurants and shops make minimum wage. Games aren't played every day either. The NFL has EIGHT home games a year, guaranteed. Are you going to open a business near this stadium for eight games? Didn't think so, especially when it's in a ghetto everyone is scared to go to the rest of the time.

Communities would accomplish more in America by paying for mass transit. The idiots in America that think mass transit is such a bad idea are fucking pathetic. Notice that most of the biggest, economically thriving cities have subways, trains and buses serving the area? It's just efficient in every way to move people to an area that is efficiently designed for commerce. Without it, you have a jammed up commuter hellhole. I just looked at ONE train in NYC and wondered what sort of a nightmare it would be if every one of those riders drove a car into the city. It couldn't function.

I just don't know what to say.

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[–] Datawych 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Same thing with the NCAA, except instead of getting the taxpayers to pay for their shit, they just get boatloads of tax-free money and their players work for free.

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[–] Climhazzard 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"What about that nut, uh, nuthouse in-in Westchester?"

"Ah, it says that one's been shut down, too."

"Oh, come on! I pay so much money in taxes already. Where's that going?"

"Well, they used that money to open up the Eagles' new practice facility."

"That makes sense. That's kind of a no-brainer. I mean, you can't have our guys out there twisting ankles."

"Yeah."

"A man of Shady McCoy's abilities, he needs a proper landing strip. Gotta get our maniacs in green set up in a nice facility."

"Sophie's choice, huh?"

"Mm-hmm."

"Go Birds."

"Go Birds."

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[–] cynoclast 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

America, land of socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else.

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[–] Literally_a_whale 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Don't forget their tax exempt status

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