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[–] IAmNotGod 1 points 47 points (+48|-1) ago 

I wonder how much potential our species has shat down the toilet due to it being more profitable to inhibit progress.

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[–] dabork 4 points 22 points (+26|-4) ago 

We would almost positively have already established energy Independence and almost completely discontinued use of fossil fuel. Our medical field would also be astronomically better and our life expectancy would be through the fucking roof at this point.

There are multibillion-dollar businesses centered around keeping us fat, stupid, and sick. None of those Industries would exist if we put progress before profit.

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[–] downton-stabby 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Oil is used in just about everything. Even if we aren't burning it, it's used in plastics, foods, processing, everything.

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[–] AOU 4 points 4 points (+8|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Hey fatty, it's your own fault if you're too lazy to control yourself and refrain from destroying your body with excessive amount of food.

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[–] Savipalooza 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

This is why I think we need a resource based economy as defined by the Venus Project.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

None of those Industries would exist if we put progress before profit.

Neither would capitalism as we know it. The problem is the significant portion of the population who doesn't seem to understand that capitalism only serves us when it's harnessed in a controlled way, like fire or nuclear energy. If it's just allowed to go on uncontrolled the results can be similarly catastrophic.

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[–] Baconmon 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The sad irony of this is that if all of these huge multi-national corporations would have actually tried to work towards technological advancement and the actual betterment of human-kind for all of these last decades/centuries, the CEOs and elite them selves would have ended up living better and happier lives them selves..
Because even though they might be making mad profit from their own company, once they step out of their company for the day, they still have to live in world where every other company is shrewd and trying to rip you off as well.. They have to live in a world where every one else is trying to take advantage of you.. Most of the food is processed shit, so you have to seek out healthy food.. Crime rates are high due to poverty, so you have to seek out and only be in rich neighborhoods.. And you have all sorts of other giant corporations trying to sue you for patents or some thing else, always trying to grab some of your money.. The only advantage you have is you can say "Yippy, I have lot more money than the average person", but the world you have to live in still fucking sucks..

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[–] Proppa 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They live in a bubble completely sheltered from that world you speak of. All the big corporations play nice with each other and why would they care about crime when they drive in limos with armed escorts in ritzy neighborhoods? They'd consider it "slumming it" to drive around neighborhoods with 6 figure incomes because those people still work for a living.

Sure they lose out on some bells and whistles by impeding humanity but they are still the creme de le creme. Would you mind living off 60's technology if you were king pin, slayed all the pussy you wanted, got whatever you wanted at any point and had people waiting on you 24 hours a day? Probably not. Even if it didn't sit right with you, what the fuck are you gonna do? It's pretty well know we live in a society where the most ruthless psychopaths make it to the top, are you just gonna stand up and wag your finger at people who would have you murdered or destroy your entire life with a single phone call? Good luck!

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There's always the problem of incentives. In a world where everyone is honest and good, the dishonest person can make a killing. It's like a world of banks with no locks on the doors. That's an economic inventive towards dishonesty. Our problem is that we refuse to punish dishonesty strongly enough for the incentive to be outweighed by the cost.

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[–] Monsantos_Schlong 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

We'd probably be on Mars by now.

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[–] Sciency 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You know, I would argue that things would be so good here on earth that we wouldnt feel the need to leave. Regardless, we would have the resources to do so.

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[–] Slayfire122 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We'd possibly have a small colony on Mars by now.

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[–] Antiseed117 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

All of it

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 7 points 11 points (+18|-7) ago 

Where are all of Voat's anarcho-capitalists to extol the virtues of the guiding hand of free-market capitalism? Whenever inconvenient evidence pops up I can never find them....weird.

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[–] WarGy 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

The problem here isn't the free market, it's the legal system. The entire threat to non-cartel members in this case is legal action. If we didn't have a legal system that permitted such frivolous law suits the cartel would quickly collapse.

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[–] Daeavorn 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

You got it, also big govt protected monopolies. We dont have true capitalism

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[–] bob3333 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If we didn't have a legal system that permitted such frivolous law suits the cartel would quickly collapse.

Um, without lawsuits there would be zero possibility of attacking cartels.

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[–] 51rH0n3y84d93r 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I'm not the one you're looking for, but it appears the cartel fell apart after 15 years: December 23, 1924 until 1939

In the above title it shows that they used the threat of government action to prevent competitors from delivering a superior product. Modern day, instead of lawsuits, it's more common to have regulatory capture to prevent competition. @Broc_Lia will likely have more insights since you wanted an ancap, not me.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

it's more common to have regulatory capture to prevent competition

It's just the currently available tool. If that avenue is closed off they'll use another. In the days before the ability to use regulatory capture and lawsuits, big business hired mercenaries to hunt down and execute their opponents. Anarcho-capitalism has no answer to that problem other than denial.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago  (edited ago)

@Broc_Lia is the one I was thinking of, yeah. The angry anarcho-captalist who will downvote you for daring to criticize his or her preferred ideology, even when he's claiming the people would be better off if you didn't have to have a clinical trial before selling your product as life-saving medicine.

The time period of that light bulb cartel is filled with robber barons, strikebreakers, and appalling health and safety conditions that were only stopped by government regulation.

I'm not saying regulation can't be abused, but it has its uses. Time and again we've seen that an "anything goes" policy leads to favorable and humane conditions only in fantasy.

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[–] drakesdoom 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Free market capitalism requires a fully free market. Not just from government regulation, but also hostile buy outs, aggressive litigation, and use of violence. Any competition outside "I can do this better or cheaper" degrades the system.

Some may not agree on this but I don't think it works when there is a large wealth gradient. For instance building something in China to sell in America. The company gets to exploit people in both ends.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Free market capitalism requires a fully free market. Not just from government regulation,

A fully free market can't exist without regulation. It's literally impossible.

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[–] vacvape 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

But..but the green planet! This conv. is not complete without a note on how governments are now banning incandescents in favor of unlimited lifetime CFLs/LEDs. That's their good deed for bilking us with Hydro (Ontario). "But.. but you can SAVE, here's a 2% coupon on a $20 bulb that will last a month". Fucking corrupt assholes.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In a fully free market, what's to stop hostile buyouts, conspiracies, voluntary monopolies, collusion, etc? You're banking on the hope that an independent organization operating in the people's best interest will crop up on its own, when it's likely to be more efficient, more lucrative, and less wave-making for that organization to not try and disrupt the operation of powerful players. The reason why the government is able to make unpopular decisions that have dire financial consequences for powerful people is because the representatives are beholden (or partially beholden) to their constituency.

Again, I'm not saying a balance of free market and regulation isn't abusable--on the contrary, it's highly abused, especially these days, and it is a real problem that government tends to ratchet up rather than scale back. I'm saying that the solution to these problems isn't to go to the other extreme and say that everything would be perfect if you only instituted the purest form of an ideology that, they say, can't be tested in degrees, only as an all-or-nothing scheme.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't offer any kind of mechanism with which to break up oligopolies and monopolies

Sure it does, they just deny such a thing would exist in anarchy.

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[–] illDecree 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

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[–] Baconmon 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

Why the hell are you archiving wikipedia?.. You think a giant conspiracy is going to form and remove that information?.. wikipedia already has edit history that people can look through..
I understand the point to archive sites, but seems like voat is a little trigger-happy at archiving every single post.. It is just wasting space on that archive site, at least in this case..

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[–] ginganinja 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Reminds me of toothpaste ads showing toothpaste fucking slathered onto toothbrushes. You actually need like a quarter of that.

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[–] kurfu 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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[–] Javik2186 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

IWhat happened to humanity? It was a few days ago, where police found the body of a doctor who found the breaking cure for cancer. Whenever someone claims they might have a cure for cancer or a disease, they are labled as a quack, scared into supressing the information, or catch the mysterious suicide disease.

With all the advances of technology that humanity has made, we're still stuck with companies who only want us to pay $800 for an life saving epi-pen. Or go after peaceful ranchers with a FDA SWAT team for selling raw milk.

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[–] Tb0n3 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

The guy claimed to have a cure for cancer. Cancer is not a monolithic disease.

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[–] OneNutWonder 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Maybe there should be a guide on making your own lightbulbs.

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[–] ratsmack 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There may not be a cartel today, but most consumer products are built with planned obsolescence in mind.

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[–] PIcasso54 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Read this as "Bulb Light"...

Bud light? Light Bud?

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