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[–] varialus 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
TL;DR Conclusion Summary Paragraph: My conclusion in the end is that people should be allowed to segregate, and that the various segregated groups should try to be as independent as possible from one another. I would want my group to be able to view other groups both as their idealized stereotypes and as their vilified stereotypes. Within my group there might would or might wouldn't be dependencies, but either way my group would be awesome in its own respect. I'm just not too concerned about dependencies on that level within my imaginary ideal society. I would not want to war with other groups, but I would want my group to actively defend itself.
While here on Voat, the negative instances of dependence easily come to mind, but upon stepping back, it's not too hard to see positive dependencies, although it takes a bit different perspective. I generally consider the ability to be independent as a great thing, but often dependencies allow greater prosperity than without them, but again, there's a difference between healthy dependencies and unhealthy dependencies.
If a farmer wants to produce a lot of food, he has to be dependent on modern technology, infrastructure, and knowledge. There's a certain romantic appeal to homestead farming with one's own hands in order to feed one's own family and to thus be a bit more independent than most people in modern society, yet that romantic notion of independence is terribly inefficient.
The same basic principle applies to most any business at different levels. The programmer weighs the pros and cons of which parts of his software should use existing functionality that is largely controlled by individuals outside of his company, and which parts, if not all should be under his control. There's a certain romantic appeal to writing it designing and controlling all aspects of a software solution, but it's usually terribly inefficient.
As to the rightness or wrongness of dependencies between various kinds of institutions between other institutions and/or also between people, there are multiple perspectives from which the question can be viewed. There are questions as to whether organisations ought to be doing what they're doing, and there are questions of what's the best way to do what they're trying to accomplish regardless of whether it's what they ought be doing. Then there are different opinions of what ought to be. Sincere open and honest individuals can have very different opinions of what ought to be done, and people with hidden motivations, who consider their secret efforts just and good, can also have very different opinions of what ought to be compared to others with hidden agendas. Even the stereotype of the evil Jew, considers his actions good and right.
Is it right for the government to provide subsidies to try to support certain industries? Is it right for the government to try to provide a safety net for people who are down on their luck? If endeavours could be accomplished as imagined, without any unforeseen consequences, the question would be much simpler. And when there are unforeseen consequences do arise, should the endeavour be corrected or scrapped? Perhaps at some point the endeavour should be scrapped, but if one of the unintended consequences created, was the development of a constituency which strives to preserve the endeavour, then it might not be as easy to end as it was to create it. They're difficult questions to answer because not all the people who do or will at some point rely on others, not all of them are the stereotypical "bad" people. When a stereotypical ideal person has a bit of unusually bad luck due not to any fault of his own, but rather due to the sometimes shitty nature of reality, it's hard to not sympathize with the unlucky ideal person, even if that sympathy might be abused by the "bad" people. Right choices are sometimes hard.
For me personally, Voat has made me a little bit more "racist" than I used to be, yet still not all that racist in my opinion, although people outside of Voat might consider me quite racist. I don't want to tell people who are different than me whether their dependencies ought or ought not to be, I just want different types of people to be allowed to self segregate, and for these segregated groups to not be required to help one another. But I don't want them hurting one another. I just want these groups to be independent without dependencies on one another. But within my group, I don't necessarily have a strong opinion about what kind of dependencies ought or ought not to be. Although dependencies are often viewed as negative here on Voat, if efforts to help struggling people were not only designed to try to prevent dependency on them, if also they were applied only to the people of my group, which people I do generally hold in fairly high regard, then I think the efforts could work much better than they currently do. But I know I'm biased with regard to my opinion of the people of my group, so it's hard to know for sure whether it would work, and more importantly, it's hard to know for sure that the same sort of self preserving dependency wouldn't develop, just the same as we have no. But like I said, I'm a little bit racist, so I think it would turn out better if we were vigilant to keep out the ideas that messed up America.