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[–] Warden 12 points -8 points (+4|-12) ago 

Let's play devil's advocate for a second here.

It's not "just one phone", it's a muslim terrorist's phone. I don't hear this argument being made with "it's just one house they have a warrant on, but they shouldn't do it because freedom or some shit".

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[–] hyperoperation 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

But that is always how it starts. They were setting up a precedent so that they could then use it in drug/other investigations. Legal precedent is hugely influential so a strong stand has to be made early. The road to fascism always starts with doing something just this once because "terrorism"

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[–] Warden 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago  (edited ago)

To me it's something that comes from way before. Most of the time FBI and such issues a warrant when raiding someone's house on the tip that the person inside may have drugs, but sometimes it doesn't. It's still bad when they do it that way, though most are caring about "muh phones" instead of their houses.

It's not that I'm siding with the FBI, it's that people are caring about the FBI taking their material stuff more than they're caring about the FBI raiding through a house (and hurting someone).

edit: and might I add, iPhones are the least secure phones ever. With the amount of information out there that iPhone's encryption is shit, why would anyone buy one? Android's no better sure, but there are appearing some alternatives: Ubuntu, Firefox, Jolla, to name a few.

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[–] NihilistsLivesMatter [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They are were attempting to force Apple to invent a key (which may not even be possible) that they would have access to which could unlock all iPhones. A key, which based on FBI history, could be misused both by them and by criminals (as the FBI has lost electronic keys in the past) to gain access to everyone's iPhone.

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[–] Warden 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Didn't they decrypt it (AKA invented the key themselves without Apple's help) already? And what is so bad about that?

Let's put it in perspective: pedophile supposedly has child porn locked in safe, FBI raids his home, try to get the safe open, can't. They ask the manufacturer to provide them with the key, manufacturer says no. They make their own key, crack the safe open, find whatever it's inside (content is irrelevant). They know have the power and knowledge to open any safe in America. Is that so bad? Are safes now in danger?

And it's not that I'm siding with the FBI, it's that people are caring about the FBI taking their material stuff more than they're caring about the FBI raiding through a house (and hurting someone).