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[–] Goathole 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Parents don't have to parent anymore silly, that's what tv and the internet is for.

Here's a tip Miss Girl- if you want respect you have to demand it, exude the authority you are entrusted with.

  • I had a kid open the back door of the vehicle while I was driving once. He did it once. We had a conversation, we're on the same page now.

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[–] elitch2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Home school parent here. This is all over. I don't believe that normie children get any training in manners today.

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[–] hungir_strike 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ma'am, sir, yes please, no thank you. Don't put your elbows on the dinner table. Remove your hat. I still call my friend's mother Mrs. So-and-so, and I've known her for fifteen years. The exception to the Mr and Mrs rule for me is with bosses, but in my professional life, they've always introduced themselves by first name.

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[–] GreaseLightning 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Oh cool are you doing FLL?

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[–] WestEndGirl [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Very similar. But I don't want to get doxxed, especially since this post is getting brigaded by a bunch of triggered parents/triggered people that probably don't even have kids.

Simple request: "Hey, let's all be civilized and encourage that in society"

Triggered Parents/Children: "I'm going to not even read your post, but I'll curse at you, come to irrelevant 'conclusions', and call you naaaames"

Eh, what can you do shrugs

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

how about teaching kids basic respect for reality first. and self responsibility.

As in, pointing at a white wall and saying 'thats black, you liar' does not make the other person a liar, nor is it valid to get angry at someone who is pointing out reality to you.

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[–] WestEndGirl [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, the responsibility thing was amiss today as well. I don't know too much about their lack of being grounded in reality. I do hear them talking in the back seat about self-esteemy classes and how they "learned" that week to "choose good decisions"--whatever relativistic thing that is.

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[–] birds_sing 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I grew up in a culture where only school teachers were ever called Mr or Miss/Mrs. No one else. It wasn't a manners or rudeness thing, it was just a different culture.

As a kid, if an adult asked me to address them as Mr or Miss/Mrs, I would have thought it was weird, but I would have done it (if I had even the slightest amount of respect for them). These kids would have probably done the same, if they had any respect for you whatsoever. But they didn't.

You may think that they should have shown you respect because you're older than them, or because you were driving them around. If they don't normally address other adults in that way (not because they're little assholes, but because that's the culture they live in), then what makes you think they have to do it for you? (Other than your self entitlement and self importance.)

As for you driving them around and they owe you respect for it - If you take from someone, you give back respect. The kids were told to go with you. They weren't taking, they were giving. They were following orders, doing what they were told. They didn't take from you.

There definitely are rude kids out there that have no respect for their elders. But you did not give a single example of these kids disrespecting you. You only gave an example of people calling you out on your self importance.

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[–] WestEndGirl [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I can tell by your comment that you are used to taking things personally. You start off by talking about your own experiences as a kid, and then you start projecting the idea of "taking things personally" onto me, as if I were somehow personally offended by the actions of these kids. I'm not personally offended, nor do I take it personally. Perhaps my writing style leads to being misunderstood, and if so, I am sorry. But the point of my post was a mere commentary on impolite children being raised today. The general idea of children being impolite right from the get-go before they even get to that teenage stage of "normal" impoliteness just struck me as being very... "brave new world". That's all.

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[–] birds_sing 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It wasn't that I was or do take things personally. It's that I was making a comment that was meant to be taken personally by you. - That may be where our miscommunication was.

Your first hand experience was that you would never address an adult by their first name, unless you deliberately wanted to be rude. I commented about my first hand experience in which a kid addressing an adult by their first name is not intended to be rude. I wasn't just saying you're wrong for thinking this. I was saying that I know damn well, through first hand experience, that you're wrong. (This is the internet. Where you can't just say someone's wrong. You have to prove how and why you know they're wrong.)

Anyway, enough defending myself. What I was attempting to say was that if you spend the day with a group of kids, you should have many examples of rudeness, disrespect, and impoliteness. But the only example you gave was of the kids calling you out on your self importance. Which (in the way they did it) was not rude, disrespectful, or impolite.

You really need to commend their parents on the way that they're raising those kids. Because, from your story, they sound like some very well behaved children.

And here's a personal comment for you. - When I was a kid, I (nor anyone else) would have ever been anywhere near that nice when calling someone out on their self importance. But I guess that shows that kids nowadays are a lot more polite.

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[–] totes_magotes 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

What, you want respect just because you're older? Fuck that. I'm probably older than you and I don't expect you to respect me, only act with common decency. Respect is earned, every day of the week.

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[–] WestEndGirl [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

A child should have respect for adults, especially those who are kindly sacrificing their free time to cart said kids around to fun workshops and extracurriculars, yes. I don't think that's too much to ask--that's a bare minimum "normal" level of understanding. Otherwise you've just got a bunch of selfish ill-bred children.

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[–] totes_magotes 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Decency, yes. Politeness, yes. Respect, no.

Respect is always earned and can never be a gift. If it is not earned, it is not appreciated by either party. Ever.

What you're suggesting is a redefinition of respect and then brainwashing a child to automatically defer or look up to anyone that is older. That is a horrible way to go through life. You know what you get when you get a bunch of parents who get respect but have never earned it? Millenials. Blame fucking Generation X for that.

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[–] Warmoose76 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

By your logic I should respect the btk killer. Just because he is older than me. Fuck your dumb shit illogical nigger retarded thinking.

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[–] totes_magotes 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I believe you're on the wrong thread here... Read the comment you're responding to.

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[–] Warmoose76 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Damn straight

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[–] PraiseIPU 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Another teacher complaining about how hard it is to teach

To bad you can't beat the kids into submission anymore.

Simply being old does not automatically grant you respect.

Do stuff to earn their respect.

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[–] WestEndGirl [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I'm not a teacher.

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[–] Warmoose76 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It works great until the kid gets old enough to beat you. I knew a few kids that used to get beat and when they got older the beat the fuck out of their dad's. Don't have kids if you are just going to beat them, not only is fucked up but it might come back to bite you.

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