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[–] 21894956? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Fair response.

I believe a right winger, at least a red-pilled one, will not recognize those families as part of a real patriarchy but as imposters that are not legitimate rulers.

I think that there would, barring obvious extreme examples, be a matter of intellectual honesty. Anyone who's honest and learned enough (left, center, right, whatever) would be able to agree with the italicized sentiment.

I honestly for a brief moment completely sidelined the original definition, wasn't on my mind at all for the purpose of this conversation.

If I may paraphrase you for a moment (not trying to twist the quote):

There's the left's (re)'definition' of patriarchy, a boogie man of sorts

The right has its own "boogie man" terms too, hell even I do and I'm neither. It's just something humans do. Again though, there's probably a lot of crossover as to the specifics when we break it all down and leave the fluff aside.

(Not trying to be argumentative by the way, just enjoying the exchange)

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[–] 21895584? ago 

I honestly for a brief moment completely sidelined the original definition, wasn't on my mind at all for the purpose of this conversation.

Fair enough, your questioning brought this forward into my mind as well.

The right has its own "boogie man" terms too, (...). It's just something humans do. Again though, there's probably a lot of crossover as to the specifics when we break it all down and leave the fluff aside.

I believe there are definitely polarizing forces at work, whether by conscious entities like Soros, Roths, Black Pope, Trump, Satan, etc. or 'unconscious' entities like r/K selected genes that express the power of their memes through the political divide.

[As a background, I come from the 'left' and did hold 'centrist' viewpoints in the past.]

As much as I understand 'the left', when looking from their own perspective and through their own ideologically-tinted glasses, I still believe that 'the right' is justified in this ideological battle.

I respect everyone's right to be on the 'left' or 'center' but I don't find those positions to be justified.

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[–] 21895991? ago 

I believe there are definitely polarizing forces at work,

This is the important part because it explains the extremes – boogie man terms included.

As much as I understand 'the left', when looking from their own perspective and through their own ideologically-tinted glasses, I still believe that 'the right' is justified in this ideological battle.

I can 'understand' both sides to an extent, but for reasons, I can't fully support any unwavering or extreme leaning toward either.

(Following edited for clarification/relevance)

I respect everyone's right to be on the 'left' or 'center' but I don't find [that] positions to be justified.

For the record, when I claim a position of center, it's not that there isn't areas of agreement and compromise available, it's just that I will always try to avoid being influenced by the very obvious left/right partisanship. I prefer discussing all this stuff with those who can at least suspend left/right affiliation to look at everything – this requires suspending propaganda/bias against and for 'your side'.

Asking me to justify my position will almost definitely lead to an argument, no matter whether a leftist or right-winger is the one to ask me lol.

Here's something I can say though:

  • The corruption we're fighting uses left vs. right division to its advantage and corruption stemming from this 'centrist corruption' (there, I said it, your true enemy is the corrupt center (often masquerading as a left/right affiliate) – no, I'm not corrupt-center lol) infects both sides.
  • To date, I've seen more overt corruption from the left than I have the right, in many departments.
  • I've known about the corruption on the right for longer than the left, though that was early days and I didn't 'dig' back then.