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[–] 16119558? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There was a video on youtube by a guy who was at the scene of the crash and got chased by guys with guns. He was murdered shortly afterwards. The obvious suspects were the Russians because that is where it crashed. There were some who said that the victims never got on the plane and the crash was an elaborate hoax. Even if that was true, it would require Russian cooperation. If an empty plane crashed and they were blamed, why would they go along with that?

Good to hear from you Poland.

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[–] 16153212? ago 

I recall the video. It was pretty disturbing... not only because of the sounds in the video (like very loud horns) but also I had an impression like the guy who recorded it was chased. If I recall it correctly you could here the dogs barking somewhere near. Anyway I don't think the plane was empty. Black box recordings in parts were played in the news and it seams that they had a party on the board and didn't care about safety at all. There were rumors that they broke the chain of commands and pilot was forced to land. On the other hand you can fabricate audio and video nowadays and the quality will be so good that there is no way for human to find out. One thing is sure, the plane wasn't hacked, it was to old. In fact it was a flying pace of crap which supports accident hypothesis. Re: Russia involvement, whatever Russia will say it will be ignored by the public opinion, journalists and politicians in the West, so it's a perfect plan to frame them. I'm not claiming it was like that, just a thought. Do you remember shoot plane over Ukraine? Everyone were saying (Netherlands officials included) that Russia is to blame, but what are the odds that you can film a military crew with rocket launcher crossing the boarded in order to shoot the plane from foreign territory? Wow, if I was Putin and I had almost unlimited resources I would plan it better. I would especially took care about secrecy so nobody would record the event. My personal fillings are that the people in that plane were inconvenient and they would resist a changes that were planned for Poland so they were eliminated. I'm sure that there are people in Polish govt, MIL and intel which knows the true and when the time will come they will start to speak and one day we will know the truth.

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[–] 16159392? ago 

The MH17 story was a piece of crap from the start. Even if the rebels did shoot it down, it was Ukraine's fault.The plane was way off course flying right over one of the most critical battles of the war. There were ground attack planes in the air, and some had already been shot down by AA. The Chicago convention on air safety forbids passenger planes from flying over war zones. The air space was uncontrolled as the Ukrainians had already bombed the Donetsk air traffic control tower. The only conclusion is that Kiev air traffic control had directed the plane to fly into harm's way. To this day, Kiev refuses to hand over the air traffic control tapes or even to divulge who was in their control tower on that day. The Dutch investigators sat on their asses in Kiev for two weeks, demanding a rebel surrender so they could approach the wreckage across the front line. Meanwhile, real journalists were freely approaching the wreck from the rebel side. When the investigators finally stopped partying in Kiev, they refused to interview any eye-witnesses. The Dutch government was basically complicit in the murder of 200 of their own citizens. Wasn't the first time. They are scum. As for Malaysia, they can't tell us where MH370 went or where MH17 came from. They shouldn't be allowed to have an airline.

I wish I could share your optimism about knowing the truth. It's been half a century since JFK, RFK, and MLK were killed, and the assassination attempt on George Wallace. The official story on 9/11 doesn't even make sense. The longer these murders are covered up, the less chance the truth will ever come out. In all cases, including Poland, the people who know the truth are the guilty ones.