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[–] CrustyBeaver52 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Not necessarily - it doesn't work like that - it's more like issuing commands directly to the subconscious brain - bypassing the conscious filters of awareness which would normally protect against that.

There is the part of your mind where you reside - the part that says "I am me," and you know who you are - but that is certainly not all of your mind - most of your body is run by your subconscious mind - like breathing, heart beat, etc, the vast majority of you operates on a sort of auto pilot while your conscious mind carries on with your moment by moment thinking. Your body is kind of like a car - you are the driver of the car - but not the whole car.

So, when it comes to emotional states, certainly your conscious thoughts can change your emotions - but it is also true that your chemical state - regulated mostly by your subconscious mind - can also change the pattern of your conscious thought. I know, for example, people who eat a properly balanced diet, and go for a 30 minute walk everyday, generally report they experience a constant state of "happiness" even though they have no reason to be happy. Kind of the opposite of depression. It is the subconscious mind that is controlling that emotional state, through chemistry.

So, the hypnosis trick is to use verbal commands issued directly to the subconscious mind, to turn on and off the various triggers that are influenced or controlled by it. For example - martial artists do Jedi like tricks - like you are feeling no pain (even though you are injured,) you are wide awake and fully alert, (even though you've been training for 24 hours - and are physically exhausted,) You are almost too warm and are sweating, like you are standing on a beach in the summertime, (even though you are shoveling snow in boxer shorts at minus 20.)

So, if you can issue the commands to your subconscious that you are healthy, happy and 100% confident, without anxiety or remorse - the subconscious will adjust your body chemistry to allow your conscious mind to experience exactly that state of mind.

It's a trick - but it is a really good trick. I studied martial arts for more than 6 years and I have experienced these techniques on multiple occasions - they do work. Results sometimes defy everything that we believe to be true. Like I said in the other post above - it's easier to sneak these commands past the filters when you are already tired or distracted - and the conscious mind is not fully paying attention.

The way I see depression is that, for whatever reason, the subconscious mind is regulating your chemical state to be set as if you are sad, or tired, or run down - which has a powerful influence on your conscious thought pattern - and the whole show gets stuck in a kind of feedback loop. The subconscious says we are sad, then the mind says we are sad, then the subconscious says, yes sir, maintain our chemistry setting on sadness.

So the physicians try to break that pattern using pharmaceuticals - which can work - but which have been proven to be very dangerous (SSRI's.) It is entirely possible to achieve desired chemical changes in the body through changes in the diet (which is basically another kind of drug chemistry) and through exercise ( there are certain chemical reactions which occur in humans uniquely from the act of exercise - stuff like endorphins, testosterone, changes to your body ph levels - stuff like that.) Using this more natural approach you can alter the way your subconscious mind is regulating your body chemistry - and break the feedback loop - get it to reset to a more "normal" level to one of say neutral, content, cheerful - Break the down cycle.

I prefer the later approach - first of all because it is safer. Also, it matches what we are designed to be - we are supposed to spend our day moving around and eating natural foods - but our modern lifestyle has us sitting on our ass all day and eating chemical garbage - is it any wonder we are having troubles? Take the unleaded gas car - if we put in diesel fuel - the car chokes on it - same for the humans.

So, the hypnosis trick can be a very powerful shortcut. Like the quit smoking hypnosis - a smoker's brain is physically altered by nicotine addiction, such that it adjust the body's chemistry production to balance with the incoming nicotine. Remove that nicotine, and the human undergoes extreme physical discomfort - sometimes for years - with the subconscious mind sending signals to the conscious mind - the conscious mind seeking and finding all kinds of "logical" reasons to go buy another pack of smokes - it's insidious. Yet, a percentage of smoker's get themselves hypnotized, and simply never smoke again. That is how powerful the subconscious is in influencing our conscious state of mind.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thanks for that long wrote up! (I hate tweets ...)

I started writing this before checking which post you were responding to. If you could, check out my other post on this thread. Appreciate it! But I'm gonna keep going g with what I wrote ...

I think that we are very close to our understandings without having actual "education" and degrees.

I, too, have a martial arts back ground. Never progressed far in an particular form due to work, school and moving but I've dabbled in king fun, kick boxing (karate), more standard karate, aikido (my longest training), kendo (studied with 8th degree old guys ... They were hobbiest, and with a group in Japan), naginata (trained with women), and tai chi ... This has been and off experience for me over the years. But, yeah, I do understand what you are saying about the Jedi trick especially since I've seen some made crazy things done with aikido though practical being unlikely.

From what I've studied the brain is split into 3 parts:

The lizard (you pretty much nailed that with the chemicals explanation) and this is what I call the fight or flight area which you consider to be the autonomous body controller.

The monkey: this controls more higher controls and emotions. Pretty much probably the "red neck gone wild" brain. We diverge here and I think you probably push the lower end to the lizard and more social side to the human. But hey, no probs :-)

The human: higher level thoughts and awareness and all that crap. Which you called the conscious and filter.

I spent about 2 years listening to all kinds of motivational, better yourself and NLP based audio casts. I covered Ziggler to David De'angelo and what not. Which led me to buying books on NLP. Did all that help? Well, it helped me pull out of an abusive X wife and her gas lighting but I'm still an asshole :-) yeah, it did help to bring me back to before I met her.

This comes into the hypnosis part.

I basically agree with what you wrote and can only bring up that the human mind can fight against it which explains why not everyone falls under its suggestions. NLP uses a more logical approach and suggests that you talk directly to your subconscious and ask it why, why and how. The 5 W questions do work but looking at affirmations and such getting to root cause of a problem with "why" and not letting a sloppy answer suffice can be really enlightening.

However, you point on will power is really spot on. Get your ass up and go for a walk and eat healthy food. Do this for 21 days and form a habit. Your explanation explains how and why it works. I can only add on doing g this during the day works best because I think natural sunlight playa a big factor.

Just wondering, have you studied this or was just experience through training?

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[–] CrustyBeaver52 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In answer to your last question - I have accumulated this "theory" over the years from a variety of sources - I was "forced" into this lifestyle due to health concerns related to ageing. I have learned that the best way to be healthy, happy, and drug free, in my opinion, is to follow as natural an approach as is possible in our modern era. Not to say that that is easy. Since my health reacts strongly to certain toxins in the environment, I am suitably motivated to eat right, and I do go out of my way to avoid most of the chemistry found in our modern supermarkets.

Except for some aspirin here and there, I am able to live a normal life, drug free, with my health pretty much stabilized - which is a good place to be. I have found that deviating from this lifestyle, in my case, carries some pretty severe consequences, enough so that I usually return to the path pretty quickly.

Another note - concerning willpower and exercise - you'll know this but for the others here who may be reading along: So at first the exercise is a burden - you have to work at it and it is an uphill climb. After a while your body changes - the chemistry changes - and your "will" changes along with it - eventually such that you feel good by doing the workouts and you begin to "crave" the adrenaline and endorphins generated from it - and it is sitting still that makes you unhappy.

My point being is that so much of our current emotional state, our urges and desires - actually springs forth from our chemical state - that a lot of our "logic" feels logical because of our chemical state - that the subconscious is playing a much larger role in our mental state than we have the awareness to see.

That's my opinion - not sure if it is true, but I believe it.

So here is another Jedi mind trick - I do a lot of meditation, and this comes from there - Neural pathways.

The brain is like a kind of muscle - and it adapts to the heavy lifting requirements it encounters. It does this by forming neural pathways - literally electrical and chemical signals along neural pathways. These pathways, when used frequently, grow stronger. Pathways which are not used eventually shrink, atrophy, and die off. Over time, through this mechanism, the brain adapts to meet the challenges of it's environment - reprogramming itself as it goes along.

So, why not engage in active reprogramming - strengthen the all of the pathways associated with happiness, and avoid all of the pathways associated with sadness. This requires a deliberate approach - you have to intervene to deliberately choose to pursue activities and information that promote a happy and cheerful state of mind - and just keep doing that as much as possible.

Over time, the neural pathways associated with this emotional state will become the dominant and default emotional pathways in use by your brain. The pathways associated with the other emotions fade to the background - and are seldom used unless specifically triggered. Once your happiness pathways become the dominant ones, literally you are pretty much happy all of the time.

That's me.

I still have all of that violent killing emotional state associated with combat, etc. Deep and powerful anger - but it doesn't come out on it's own, I keep it under glass - it is not my default state. That stuff is more like, in case of emergency - break the glass, dominate and win. Then put it away again.

Choose happiness, practice deliberate happiness, and over time, that becomes your default emotional state - and the subconscious mind reinforces that state - healthy mind and body together as one. Just like that.

It's science. Another kind of martial art - emotional judo. You have to train to achieve it. It's worth it.

My life isn't perfect - far from it, but whose is? Mine is pretty damned good the way I see it. I am, for the most part, content.

People think I'm crazy because I laugh - TFW I smirk like Pepe:)

None of this was accidental.