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[–] kevdude [S] 3 points 22 points (+25|-3) ago 

@atko, @puttitout what are your thoughts?

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[–] kevdude [S] 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

the more atko and puttitout needs to moderate.

Maybe. I don't mean "no mods" I just mean that the active mods won't be "in charge" and will be more "removeable" should the need arise. The admins have shown that they have no problem yanking cancer out of a system sub. But they have shown a reluctance to get involved in a sub where @system is not the Level 1.

It just seems that they are rolling out new api, removing inactive mods, and making statements concerning the governing philosophy of the site. So maybe classify which subs are going to be "public-owned" vs "private-owned" by means of a @system ownership transfer in the cases of the subs outlined above.

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[–] ArchangelleShe 8 points 18 points (+26|-8) ago  (edited ago)

I agree 100%. If you look at how old the subs are and how old the account of the head mod is, none of those subs were created by their current owners. They were obtained in a land grab during one of the many exoduses.

Furthermore, the head mods didn't grow those subs. They grew by virtue of their name alone and nothing more. I say we give them back to their rightful owner: @system.

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[–] Oveass 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

I think you're overreacting. If a sub will have issues in the future voat will linch them anyway. Yes it's sad to have huge dramaqueens from time to time, but it's unfair to take subs away from mods who have been tending to them well for all these months.

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[–] kevdude [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

How would shifting them to level 2 mods be taking anything away from them?

You make a fair point.

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[–] kevdude [S] 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Best to reserve action until it is truly needed

Really can't argue with this.

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[–] kevdude [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

clarify that the reasoning for doing so is based on them being reddit brands/household names for subs. Or some type of designation that will protect Joe Blow from creating a sub and helping it grow to popularity only to have it taken away.

The thread on "public-owned subs" attempted to clarify this very thing.

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[–] MrPim 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago 

I am going to have to disagree w you on this one. I've been in support of PV ideals/actions in the past. But I can't support this one.

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[–] kevdude [S] 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

This is more or less a discussion. I am not 100% sure that I agree with it.

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[–] Cuckbot 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Are there any that should NOT be transferred to @system? If so, is it fair for them to have the benefit of being promoted in the top bar or here: https://voat.co/subverses ?

For those of us on smaller screens atm, which ones out of that list are in the bar?

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[–] kevdude [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

v/ideasforvoat is in the bar. v/TIL, v/todayilearned, v/wtf, and v/iama are on the frontpage of https://voat.co/subverses

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[–] Cuckbot 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

IdeasforVoat is a system sub already. Everyone knows System is Atko or Puttitout.

https://voat.co/subverses is just a list of the highest subscribed subs from most to least. They would be there regardless.

As for what should be system, I'm thinking it should be up to the admins but I understand this thread is for user input.

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[–] TH3_1D10T 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Nope.

I am completely OK with several different non-system subs.

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[–] escapefromredditbay 5 points 6 points (+11|-5) ago 

well if those "sleeper mods" wake up, deal with them. but a preventative strike on subs that may be owned by entirely innocent mods? yeah no, thats, kinda fucked up.

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[–] kevdude [S] 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

owned by entirely innocent mods

But these are the subs that they do not "own", and we are not saying that anyone should be demodded in these subs, just moved to Level 2.

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[–] escapefromredditbay 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

so?

just because your bribing them with power, that doesnt smooth it out. some might straight up tell you no, and the choice to say that, is entirely up to them.

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