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[–] Mickgoestojail 1 points 25 points (+26|-1) ago 

I agree with private subs being left alone and I think Puttitout was attempting to define that with his recent changes. System subs, private subs and public subs. For too long it's been selective now anyway and the result is the head mod being brigaded below 0 and the posts being downvoted to the shit. It's mostly politically motivated as well. In case you misseed it I was a mod here for the last year until I left two months ago.

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[–] Scandinavian [S] 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

What made you leave? The drama as described in your other comment?

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[–] Mickgoestojail 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Disappointed left and it wasn't the same without him, he kept the drama and in-fighting off the sub as much as he could. He checked out emotionally almost a year ago because he had a sick family member.

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[–] Mickgoestojail 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

After you and @Needlestack left and @she deleted her account this sub came under fire heavily. We had adopted the flair trolls instead of deleting method. We had people trolling the sub like pissed off @she supporters, old SDBH and r/topmindsofreddit, people who blamed us for the brigades, Fph mods pissed off we called them white knights, old SBBH, and askvoat mods. We copped dowvotees for a while. Then the upvoted shitposts started but we held those off mostly barely with downvotes.

Fast forward a bit and the pepe posts came with one SBBH user vowing to post 100 pepes to try to force us to delete. To do that they had to create alts to get around the restrictions of 3 a hour and 10 a day to a sub. So they did and discovered they had 10 votes to give to their old posts each time. So we had posts looking like 26 up/25 down for pages and pages. It took us a few days but eventually we cleared everyone of those pepe posts off of hot. A week or so later one of our regulars came to me and said that he knew only 5 or 6 other people had downvoted those threads. I asked how he would he know that and he said because he'd voted 18 times on each of the threads. He even showed me a couple of his alts.

Fast forward a bit more and we'd started holding up some of the system sub mods to the candle for deletions. SBBH was heavily involved again against us but this time the stakes were higher. 30-40 votes were now common. He said he'd had some discussions with a couple of other PV regulars and they'd agreed to pick up the slack and help him. So we had a proxy war one shitposting sub and a rivalry with yet another shitposting sub that all had alts behind the scenes.

Fast forward much later again and @Disappointed comes to me and says the fighting is hurting voat and it needs to stop. He wasn't taking no for answer really, so it just stopped soon after that. What that did was create a situation where a lot of people with a lots of alts suddenly had no real enemy. We had amalek, registereduser and thepower shitposting to the sub but they got squashed easily by the downvotes. So what did that alt machine do then? Those groups still downvoted people but by this time those alts were years old and held a fair bit of respect around voat. Their age counted for a lot so they began making suggestions, teaming up to create a consensus, piling on subs like identititarian and the pedes.

Whats my point? It is too engrained in the culture here for it to stop now, outside of the admins really steppingi to do a thourough time-consumig audit of what accounts vote where and who votes with them? Not happening.

I don't think it will stop. Some just don't play by the rules.

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[–] Scandinavian [S] 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Thanks for the rundown man. I have lurked and I don't think there's a week I haven't browsed Voat since 2015. Just didn't feel like participating in the drama. I lost interest in PV after the two others decided even obvious spammers should be allowed.

I think it's the trap of trying to take the high road. That only works if you have an inherently fair system and, as you point out, the playing field is screwed up.

Conveniently for the powers that be this may explain why Voat failed to have any influence whatsoever.

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[–] MadWorld 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I think this comment should be preserved(don't delete it!) for other goats to see! The vote manipulation is quite intense around here. The past 3 days on the preview site was very peaceful without all that shit drama!

Edit: archive

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[–] HomerSimpson 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Fph mods pissed off we called them white knights,

LOL. Oh man. @kevdude lol. This is your base.

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[–] kevdude 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago  (edited ago)

piling on subs like identititarian

Actually that mod decided to be a prick and the users migrated to an alternative. Not that it negates your main point, but that was not a good example.

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[–] Mickgoestojail 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It was a fine example in the context I used it in. Concerning alts used to make comments to affect a change.

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[–] Mickgoestojail 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I can't really change it now people will think I changed other stuff.

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[–] Cuckbot 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

I remember when you owned the sub and you said the community should run it. That never really happened. @Kevdude said to me in post he now deleted that big changes were coming to this sub and that I should have faith. That should tell you all you need to know that the community doesn't call the shots here. https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2507209/12532210 The deals are made in the backroom, the powerbase is alts and we are no longer needed here.

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[–] Scandinavian [S] 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

It would be wrong for me to comment on the day-to-day workings of PV, I'll give the naysayers that. However, I believe it's ridiculous that PV ended up as a place for insane ramblings about aliens (or whatever). As I said, as long as the system works the way it does, moderation of non-general interest subverses is the only solution to balance things.

I also don't agree that should exclude anyone from v/all with reasonable limitations on how much one community can dominate debate. At the end of the day, we're searching for an ideal solution, but it's pretty clear it doesn't exist.

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[–] kevdude 6 points 2 points (+8|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Except this post is stickied, no? I think the purpose of PV is going to move more in the direction of what was accomplished with v/identitarians. We obviously can't compete with alts. @Puttitout crippled downvotes. If enough people downvote a submission you can just make new accounts that can upvote the moment they're made. That post you referred was me fucking with a troll and I already deleted it. (Unless that was you on anon I don't understand why you're so upset about it).

I may be stepping off of PV soon. The user moderation only works if users can effectively downvote shit.

Ideally the 100 ccp requirement would be for uvs and dvs with a 50ccp thresshold for making submissions. Then at least trolls would have to go to the trouble of getting an alt up to those standards (and farms can be spotted easier than one off accounts).

In any event it's hard to say what purpose PV serves anymore. It helped get powermods out of the defaults. Then it was a containment chamber for trolls to waste their time in. Now it is just a place where trolls shitpost and alts put up illusion of consensus to gaslight. Maybe it could become a place for users to discuss Voat, maybe rate sub moderation, and organize formation of competing subs when mods become dicks.

All this might require setting some guidelines for what is "off topic" allowing mods to remove shitposts and textspam. I do not want to do that but unless the voting is corrected it will require someone to do it. So we need to decide who to trust to do that. (If that is what we all decide). This is not my sub and I have no problem handing the wheel to someone else.

I asked @Scandinavian to come help facilitate a discussion since our big difference was over how to moderate this sub. My way clearly no longer works and, again, Voat has changed and PV might need to change too.

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[–] Cuckbot 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I asked Scandinavian to come help facilitate a discussion since our big difference was over how to moderate this sub. My way clearly no longer works and, again, Voat has changed and PV might need to change too.

Its about fucking time someone did. It should have been you making a thread months ago. We need stop calling people out on private subs. Some subs we should still go after like Chicago, Toyata and yes, Pizzagate because those are names that hold a public interest. Everyone else we need to leave alone and make a competing sub without all the downvoting of the other subs members. It's killing Voat.

I don't agree with your v/all comments idea either. Just leave private subs alone. If you force people to listen to nigger and other shit they don't want to hear they go elsewhere. You and I helped kill Voat by our actions ad so did a lot of other goats. Lets get behind the admin and help him save it.

allowing mods to remove shitposts and textspam

Your system never worked. You know who made that work and how. It was good while it lasted but no one should have to wade through 100 music videos. Your new friends made sure subs that emulated it were bought into line. I think you got played there but I'm not solid on that. Anyway, I agree and respect if you want to step off because you wont delete things. Brother did the same on v/linux, although he was going to hand over anyway. Give the other mods a chance to run it their way. If we need to get the word out about system mods we can use this sub or v/whatever. I'll have your back on those and the reddit troll mods of generic named subs. I wouldn't trust anyone but the former mods here though.

Unless that was you on anon I don't understand why you're so upset about it

Why would I be anon? Part of why I was annoyed because you cared more about anon retard than us old PV guys. You made a sticky on this sub and I didn't know shit about it but I wanted to give feedback all the same. Second, he was right about the dumb @dooob sticky. This is the guy who called everyone who couldn't delete accounts shareblue shills based on his retarded bullshit. Then you prop the retard by pinning up a thread that says if you cant say shareblue you are shareblue and if you do say shareblue you are shareblue. I know you did it to piss off off freshmeat. But you also pissed off people like me who valued that we always demanded evidence of claims. Now we are no better than Sanegoat calling people shills with no backup. Do you get it now? If you don't get why I was annoyed then you don't get why so many hated sanegoat. I stuck by you guys but retarded pins wriiten by retards just so you can take a stab at @freshmeat are where I draw the line. Maybe I'm annoyed because I did have faith in you to carry on where my brother left off. That's on me though and not on you.

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[–] Scandinavian [S] 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Just want so say: whatever our differences, I have the deepest respect for your insistence on hearing out other opinions. From me at least.

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[–] Crensch 7 points -3 points (+4|-7) ago 

I pretty much 100% agree here. Even with the Court of Voat opinion, upvote brigades with alts renders any user-based decision toothless.

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[–] Cargill 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

What I never got about this sub is that even if the mods delete something, it's still visible. So if something really is off topic then what's the big deal? Just put a link at th top of the sidebar to off topic submissions and link to the modlog. Make a rule that mods have to include the name of the person in the ban text. Time has marched on and its time for voat to pull together and stop attacking itself.

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[–] Nerobot 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Do you want to be remodded here?

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[–] Scandinavian [S] 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

At this point, no.

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[–] Nerobot 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Look Atko noped out of here a while ago. The money is running out. Puttitout cant handle this on his own either. Unless we get another mass migration with a sustainable income, Voat is living on borrowed time.

Unless you are sole owner here and build up this sub back up with decent people who believe in free speech for all then the game is over. The current owners don't. They own both pizzagate ad PV? How is a complaint from there going to work?

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[–] kevdude 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

He has had a standing invitation from me since he left.

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[–] Nerobot 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It wouldn't matter if you left anyway @Crensch would never give up power here and he's far more into to the drama that this killing this sub than you are. @Scandinavian would have to make a new sub.

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[–] freshmeat 5 points 9 points (+14|-5) ago 

I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike

I was with you until that. You have ulterior motives. There are no such thing as nazis.

Anyways can i repost this in /v/realProtectVoat?

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[–] FedorE 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

You know there is a new option in your modpanel sidebar to manage stickies. From there you can sticky this thread without reposting it, by pasting in the link. You wont be able to mod it though, because its a container of this subverse in your own.

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[–] haveyoursafespace1 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Voat, the problem is in the name. You'll never have equal freedom of speech on this shit site, because that was never the intent from the start.

As long as there is voting, forget it. As long as there are mods, forget it.

You people are stupid.

You people are stupid.

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[–] hojuruku 7 points 7 points (+14|-7) ago  (edited ago)

@KevDude or his other kiddy fucking lover pedo mods here are a pro-pedophile shills trolling me saying that picture's of children's genitals aren't child porn. I'm going to hunt down and dox and let natural justice happen to the pro-pedophile pizzagate kiddy raping mods.

Kevdude and his alt's even attacks my father's writing about Australia's most famous gay marriage activist and his sparkles the gay child rape pony facebook page, where gay men openly put up pictures of a young QLD boy and talk about how they raped him. Garry put on his blog it was "harmless child loving fun".

Just look at the kikepedos in action even attacking my dad's writing.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2506292/12531256

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2506292/12531956

For them to say sharing a document from a US prosecutor on "satanic ritual abuse manifesto" in relation to a masonic/OTO pedophile who the court document admitted he confessed to police 5 years earlier for raping children but was not charged due to giving the masonic hand-sign ISN'T RELATED TO PIZZAGATE and is spam to post shows they server a satanic agenda.

then when I pick on @Vindicator doing the same WE LOVE THE OTO CHILD RAPE CULT CENSORSHIP against @BabalonWorking he responds by taking down my thread into the Jewish Disney Man Boy Love Cam Dating Site "OurSpace" and saying it was wrong to mention Christopher Kent Bowersox the gay pedophile cop that took away my first born in the thread - because that triggers him - and you shouldn't be against gay pedophiles or mention they are identify gay just say they are pedophiles that took away your kids.

Clearly we got sick pro-pedophile shills here. You seen my protect voat thread. You seen the kind of pedophile trolling I'm getting. They are opposing me for opposing a child labor child abuse camp in Korea and sperging all over the /v/anontalk threads fasely claiming I"m a pedo.

The only solution now is to dox and kill the pro-pedophile pizzagate mods.

I won't break the rules and do it on this website - but they will be hunted down like any other pedophile.

https://8ch.net/pol/res/11454429.html

https://8ch.net/pol/res/11478443.html

Look at their finest we love sex with children trolling:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2025812/9992933

Evidence of Garry Burns media contact Lisa Oldfield exposed on my dad's scribd publishing child porn.

Warning children's faces obscured no nude bits in that part of the video not a CP link:

https://postimg.cc/image/919mg23qx/

This is who put Garry Burns on the radio to attack John Sunol on 2UE and claim this married Christian man fucks tranny butt live on air. Truely evil stuff - pedophiles working together.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/255250991/complaint-against-vexatious-litigant

Then there is the sparkles the gay child fuck pony page confirmed in case law to be a pedo operation linked to Garry Burns, but that's a much longer story - see my dad's coverage of it on liked to on my profile page here: https://gab.ai/ozzieslovepedos

And then there is the young boys in Marks Park rape attempt involving Garry. So many pedophile scandals connected to one VIP gay activist.

He's too big to jail. Once you are a gay hero for the sake of gay pride you have the right to fuck children.

If anyone wants the mp3 that used to be here with the boylover and David Oldfield going John Sunol just ask:

http://media.mytalk.com.au/2ue/audio/301112oldfield.mp3

▶Anonymous 04/22/18 (Sun) 08:06:02 b334ac No.11512279>>11512630 >>11512721

11512253 (You)

Child's genitals alone are not CP, you retarded oaf.

▶Anonymous (You) 04/22/18 (Sun) 11:05:51 08c186 No.11512630

11512279

Under the crimes act they are.

▶Anonymous (You) 04/22/18 (Sun) 12:44:06 08c186 No.11512721

11512279

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2025812/9992933

You saw that link above you faggot.

What's in it?

"child abuse material" means material that depicts or describes, in a way that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, offensive:

..

(4) The

"private parts" of a person are:

   (a) a person's genital area or anal area, or 

   (b) the breasts of a female person. 

http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s91fb.html#child_abuse_material

We clearly have a child fucker like Garrry Burns on the thread or the pizzagate mod pedos.

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