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[–] Vindicator 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I think more could be gained by having serious discussions about the differences we all have concerning acceptable moderation than the back-and-forth attacks, meta-threads, and dismissive flairing we've seen all around. As you saw, I attempted to begin such a discussion here, and /u/kevdude seemed generally receptive

I would like nothing more than to move into a constructive discussion that would benefit all of us.

However, you can't have reconciliation where there is no remorse or repentance. Some very despicable things have been done -- and are still being done. Voat needs to be made aware of them. The truth needs to come out before we can actually make prudential decisions about how to do things differently to prevent those things from happening again. I don't know a way for that to happen that isn't bloody and painful and likely to be labeled "drama".

there is so much hostility and accusation in these cries that it leaves little room / doesn't really encourage real discussion

So long as the problems being exposed are shooed away, that is likely to remain the case.

It seems /u/Crensch is trying to do to /u/kevdude precisely what /u/kevdude has been accused of attempting to do to /u/virge. This just doesn't seem the best way forward. This isn't discussion. This isn't Logos.

Logos Himself drove the moneychangers from the Temple.

There is a time for discussion and a time for action, and Crensch concluded the later was what justice required. It was a veneer of Logos and a dearth of action that allowed things to get this bad.

Thank you, Peaceseeker and @Dismember, for giving serious consideration to what is being presented.

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[–] CheeseboogerHimself 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

There is no Logos in Crensch, you fool.

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[–] Vindicator 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

I think there is.

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[–] PeaceSeeker 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Logos Himself drove the moneychangers from the Temple.

That He did.

There is a time for discussion and a time for action, and Crensch concluded the later was what justice required. It was a veneer of Logos and a dearth of action that allowed things to get this bad.

It's easy for me to say from the sidelines that the issue is not being approached in an ideal manner. Despite the hostility, I do think progress has been made on both sides. May that continue.