Archived /v/ProtectVoat loses another mod, @PeaceSeeker - will things ever start looking up for @kevdude? (voat.co)
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Archived /v/ProtectVoat loses another mod, @PeaceSeeker - will things ever start looking up for @kevdude? (voat.co)
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[–] PeaceSeeker 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
I think more could be gained by having serious discussions about the differences we all have concerning acceptable moderation than the back-and-forth attacks, meta-threads, and dismissive flairing we've seen all around. As you saw, I attempted to begin such a discussion here, and /u/kevdude seemed generally receptive if only there was a sufficient admin presence to ensure nothing got out of hand (for if a slippery slope were to occur and power mods were to take over large subverses, and Putt were away, a great deal of damage could be done in a short period of time, and so maintaining a strict anti-deletion policy with respect to the entire website's moderators may be the safer path in the meantime). With that said, I think Putt is more present than people tend to realize -- I think the last time he was truly absent was when Voat went down for three days, and as he said at the time that was a special case where his mother was in town.
Anyway, the best thing to do now might be for us all to discuss how we think we should handle moderation in the interim while the Votes feature is dev'ed out. Right now people are pointing out the flaws they think they see in /u/kevdude's stances, but there is so much hostility and accusation in these cries that it leaves little room / doesn't really encourage real discussion. We also have to ask if campaigns like those we know /u/Crensch is capable of carrying out is the best path forward. It seems /u/Crensch is trying to do to /u/kevdude precisely what /u/kevdude has been accused of attempting to do to /u/virge. This just doesn't seem the best way forward. This isn't discussion. This isn't Logos.
[–] Vindicator 2 points 5 points 7 points (+7|-2) ago (edited ago)
I would like nothing more than to move into a constructive discussion that would benefit all of us.
However, you can't have reconciliation where there is no remorse or repentance. Some very despicable things have been done -- and are still being done. Voat needs to be made aware of them. The truth needs to come out before we can actually make prudential decisions about how to do things differently to prevent those things from happening again. I don't know a way for that to happen that isn't bloody and painful and likely to be labeled "drama".
So long as the problems being exposed are shooed away, that is likely to remain the case.
Logos Himself drove the moneychangers from the Temple.
There is a time for discussion and a time for action, and Crensch concluded the later was what justice required. It was a veneer of Logos and a dearth of action that allowed things to get this bad.
Thank you, Peaceseeker and @Dismember, for giving serious consideration to what is being presented.
[–] CheeseboogerHimself 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
There is no Logos in Crensch, you fool.
[–] PeaceSeeker 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
That He did.
It's easy for me to say from the sidelines that the issue is not being approached in an ideal manner. Despite the hostility, I do think progress has been made on both sides. May that continue.
[–] Dismember 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
This is what needs to happen even if if I'm not sure people are ready for it yet. I would make a thread myself, but as you say even being a PV mod now is seen as taking sides. Hopefully when it's made it has a thread title that invites the discussion it deserves. Would you make one? I really want to hear the opinions of a lot more people on this. I don't think there has to be a big shit fight here at all.
[–] PeaceSeeker 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
I have a busy weekend ahead of me and it's well past midnight for me already, but I would be willing to make such a post, certainly. I just don't know when I might be free enough to do so.