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[–] 1125786? 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I don't know enough about it to make a judgement, but our foreign policy shouldn't only be the gunpoint kind.

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[–] plankO 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think it's a little funny the way the media is saying yay, they get the money that was already theirs, that's so nice of us.

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[–] nnpumps [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think it's more funny the way conservatives are going 'holy shit Obama giving them billions of dollars' as if Obama cut them a check with tax money and it wasn't actually their money all along

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[–] iranian_view 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

throwaway account; no amount of internet point is worth my freedom

Iranian here. I understand that OP is asking Americans but I couldn't help it.

Let me begin by giving my own thoughts on it. First off, I, like many other Iranians, don't give a shit about having nuclear power. Realistically, we do not need it for energy. It is dangerous for the environment and it is economically unjustified. Some countries may have to have it since they don't have the blessing of numerous oil and gas wells, but Iran has a lot of them, and nearly no Uranium mines. Also keep in mind that years of harsh sanctions fucked our economy to the core so that goes on top of billions of untold amounts of lost dollars due to this madness. The amount of money spent for it could have been used to build oil refineries which we need direly.

That being said, no country should be denied the right to use it, economically sound or not. Unless one day, hopefully, all countries came to their senses and did away with this dirty source of energy, any country wants to use it for peaceful reasons there should be no discrimination against them.

Now to the agreement: I like it. Not because Iran now has the limited legal ability to use nuclear energy, but merely because my country will gradually go back to the world society. Sanctions were the main reason we elected Ruhani. We collectively decided to vote for him mostly because of his stance on a reachable agreement with the world powers and ending sanctions. I am tired of meekly saying that I am Iranian. I am tired of foreigners looking down on me because a fucking asshole of a charlatan called Ahmadi Nejad made Iran look really bad. I am happy, to some extend, now that there's a bit of hope and really happy that the fear of a war is gone. And I get really mad when I come to online comments or hear on "news" media that some people aren't happy about the deal. What's not to be happy about? We almost gave up everything we achieved during the past decade just to get rid of the sanctions. Remember that we already had, or at least were very near, to building a bomb. We did not. But now, even if the system wants to build one, they can't. Like Obama said, Iran had the resources to build multiple bombs, now Iran has only a fraction of the resources needed to build one. Wasn't the whole goal of sanctions and later 5+1 talks to prevent Iran the ability to build a bomb?

I from the bottom of my heart thank Mr. secretary John Kerry and Dr. Javad Zarif, two of the most respectable diplomats I know for standing their grounds against maniacs advocating war. These gentlemen are two of the rarest human beings who put their political differences aside and stood together to reach an agreement against all odds. I also thank President Obama for putting his foot forward and started the negotiations. I know that many Americans hate him for obvious reasons, but believe you me when I say that he saved many lives and a global disaster starting in the middle east; for being brave and doing what is unpopular. [Side story (feel free to ignore): at the end of talks in Vienna after they reached the agreement , they went round the table and asked each negotiator to say what this agreement meant to them. Secretary John Carry brought tears to everyone's eyes when he said: "When I was 22 I went to war, and it became clear to me that I never wanted to go to war again." (source, FF to 6:00 )]

So let me now get to the bilateral Iranian views on the agreement. There is the side of majority of Iranian people and politicians and powerful people who wanted the agreement in place. This side does not really care about the nuclear issue itself that much, but the agreement had to lift sanctions whatever the price. This side, obviously, is happy. The majority of Iranians just want to live a normal life without the fear of war or the pressure of sanctions. And then there's the other side. These people do not care about sanctions. Some even benefit from them so they actually want the sanctions so they can have their mafia business continue sucking on what's remained of Iran's economy. Also, there are those who actually want to have nuclear bombs for whatever price. This minority are losing their power and are not happy about it. They attack Ruhani's government every day and do whatever they can to escalate the situation by shouting "death to America" in order to make the American people unhappy so that the deal would be off. Good luck with that (and fuck you).

In conclusion, the deal did two things for America: 1. it stopped a real possibility of war, and 2. prevents Iran to be able to build a dirty bomb. And it did two things for Iran: 1.it stopped a real possibility of war, and 2. lifted economic sanctions.

Sorry about the rant. It is early in the morning and this issue makes me emotional. I tried to be as concise as i could otherwise I would go on and on and on about this issue. The way American media and the "experts" exhibit how bad the deal is, makes my blood boil. The deal is only bad for those who wanted to go to war with Iran but now lost their excuse. It is bad for extremists; both in Iran and USA (and one other obvious country).

Disclaimer: I don't speak for all Iranians here. These are my personal thoughts.

Edit: format

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[–] Dysnomia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

American here. Firstly. I'm sorry. My country is a dickwad. Yours appears to have it's fair share but let me assure you, ours are just as bad.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/108902116/Brookings-Institution-s-Which-Path-to-Persia-Report

Read Page 52. It's from a prominent American thinktank that helps guide US policy. I'm hoping the deal works but I'm afraid it's tactic is to piss off Israel/Saudi Arabia and escalate them into open war against Iran.

Even the liberal public service announcements call for war if Iran refuses.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9eV6K_yHg

I'm antiwar and antinuclear energy and it had never occured to me that Iran has all the energy it needs and that nuclear energy would be redundantly stupid to pursue. Why didn't a conservative ever tell me this I will never know. Had to learn from an Iranian.

Peace be with you. If American bombs drop just know I did not condone them. The American people are very propagandized and those that are awake have little voice. Our media publishes only approved talking points. Our voting machines have no oversight and little security. And honest people do not pursue political aspirations. Hell, President Obama's administration is corporate America and Obama himself was a lawyer from a CIA front law firm before he ran for Senator of Illinois. He did nothing as a Senator either then ran for president out of the blue was most famous politician in America.

The game is rigged.

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I just hate sanctions because they are economic warfare that target the health of innocent civilians. So I'm glad we are not doing that anymore.

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[–] WiggleYourBigToe 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I see it as a path away from violence. I'm both happy and surprised to see adult politicians using their words to approach political differences. It's an excellent alternative to bombing Iran.

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[–] Woden1Eye 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm pretty okay with it. there needs to be a shift in the balance of power in the middle east, and giving the Saudis a little competition on the oil market by lifting sanctions on Iran is a good thing in my mind. As long as the Iranians follow the rules and let the inspectors in and don't get caught fucking off somewhere else, I hope it stands and the next president doesn't just automatically squash it in `16

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[–] nnpumps [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah I think as long as Iran keeps up it's side of the agreement there's nothing wrong with it

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[–] CoyoteTan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Incoming Cheap Oil!

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[–] nnpumps [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I mean if you really think about it it's a pretty good thing that we're using diplomacy to fix this rather than putting our men out there. So many people are freaking out because of the lifting of the gun and missile sanctions but if you think about it Iran is a sovereign country. As belligerent as they are you can't simply stop them from having weapons forever because you don't like what they're using them for but nuclear weapons are a completely different kettle of fish.

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[–] Dysnomia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They're not lifting the guns missiles sanctions or the human rights sanctions or the sponsoring terrorism sanctions. Only the nuclear bomb sanctions.

Geezus juck. That's a Lotta sanctions.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I like the fact that we're actually attempting diplomacy for once instead of starting yet another war. That being said, as the details have come out, it's become clear that we got taken to the cleaners in many respects. We should have been given the prisoners back. No way should we have accepted a deal that allows Iran to inspect themselves.

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