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[–] goatboy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If philosophy didn't exist would the world still need it?

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[–] connecteduser 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No. Because society would not exist. Philosophy exist because we are rational animals. Rational thinking is what builds society.

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[–] YouruncleDan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes. Without the ability to rationally sort out your ideas you have no real competitive edge.

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[–] goatboy 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

If philosophers were rational then they would have gotten STEM degree instead of a humanities degree.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Philosophy is a perfect example of a capitalistic market failure. The world needs it, but capturing the value of philosophy is nearly impossible and thus the only recognition philosophy receives is charity. The hatred philosophy receives is due to the anti-intellectual core of capitalism. It cannot be monetized, and thus like many intellectual pursuits it is perceived as worthless.

This problem lies at the heart of much of modern society. Science as a whole field is becoming plagued by unverifiable studies because confirmation studies cannot be monetized and thus are not done. Art produces notable value but typically only a few lucky ones get recognized for it and many more are doomed to poverty. AI promises immense wealth, but poses great danger. We will likely charge headlong into that trap because our society only cares about the wealth AI could provide.

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[–] zbou 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We don't need philosophy, we need an educated public who can follow or form a coherent argument and draw rational conclusions from reality and facts about reality. Philosophyis so often an idiological soapbox disguised as discourse, so I'm skeptical of your argument for why we need phisophy. We need physicists.

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[–] CorpseofTonioKroger [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Philosophy as a way of thinking studies of what makes a coherent argument and how to develop a logical rational conclusion. Basic to this is an effort to make distinctions and clearly define the terms that constitute the argument. Ideology was initially conceived as a science of ideas based on facts and reality. Initially, ideology was conceived by the French ideologues of the latter 18th century as a scientific study of ideas, their nature, source, function, connection and use. This was a politically neutral effort to extend the developing scientific methodology to the study of ideas and knowledge. It developed as a reaction to the then dominant rationalist theory of innate or a priori ideas as taught by Leibniz and Descartes, among many others. The rationalist theory postulated a set of innate ideas which did not originate from experience. Ideology in this sense was scientific because it examined the world as it appeared to the senses and developed ideas from the data revealed by those senses. These sense data were the facts from which ideas originated.

Ideology later took on the meaning of a justification for a political program. Ideology in this sense consists of a set of beliefs about the way things ought to be that justify social arrangements. Ideologies can be narrow, to justify a particular course of action like a just war, nationalism, or racism, for example. Or they can be comprehensive political philosophies like communism, liberalism, conservatism, or universal Christianity that promise a future utopia. They can be sincere, honest efforts of high moral purpose and intellectual integrity based on facts and clear logic, or they can be deceptive, false, or biased views designed to reinforce the status quo or justify an oppressive regime. Philosophies and ideologies in this sense become destructive rationalizations that only serve the interests of the ruling groups, usually at the expense of the rest of the people.

This is an elementary exercise in philosophical thinking. It consists of clarifying the definitions of terms, and making distinctions between different kinds of philosophies and ideologies. By doing this we can gain a better view of philosophy itself, see that it does enable one to generate and follow coherent arguments, to more clearly examine the elements and logic of any view, and intelligently decide which ideologies we can agree with, which we don't and why. Philosophy is thus an essential study for any educated public which seeks to analyze and discuss things rationally, especially to debunk any "soapbox ideology" masquerading as responsible social philosophy. So, yes we need physicists, everybody could benefit from a better understanding of physics, but we also need philosophers, without whom we would not even have physics.

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[–] HenryDavidThoreau 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree with you Op. We need philosophy to guide the direction of society. However, most individuals don't require a strongly rooted philosophy to survive. It requires time to do this and most people simply don't have the luxury of time. Don't let this frustrate you. Just continue the discourse.

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[–] 7709256? 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

Stop whining about not getting enough money taken from hardworking taxpayers you little prick. And get yourself an actual fucking job.

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[–] plankO 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

No, it doesn't. OP's a faggot. Also crash course has a whole course on philosophy

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