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You've shifted the goalpost from "appearing" normal to "reacting" normally.
I've never talked about appearance before you mentioned it. I even re-read all my comment replies to you to make sure. Not even once did I mention appearance. You shifted the meaning of normal in your last reply. I always talked about a normal intellect. In other words, a character that acts like it is human.
The appearance of female characters bothers me a bit less, but the feminist argument remains the same : they don't want to take anything away, they simply want more diversity.
Why shouldn't the female transport adviser be sexy?
Re-read my comment. I never said she couldn't be, I asked why she had to. I even put it in bold so you can see it! The problem isn't that there are sexy women in games. The problem is that there is nothing but sexy women. What feminists want is simply some examples of different women. Anyway, that's the sensible argument. If any feminist says otherwise, then attack them for their point of view.
Just compare the situation of female characters to the one of male characters for a second. There are all types of male characters : handsome, ugly, strong, weak, fat, skinny, and the same goes for personality. Female characters? Sexy, has big bouncing boobs, almost naked, says nothing but "help me" or "fuck me". I'm a heterosexual man myself, and personally, I prefer small to average size boobs. But these are very rare in video games, and I don't even care that much, it just serves as a counter argument that all male players want big breasted naked female characters. Anyway, if I really wanted to see tits, I'd watch porn, I wouldn't play games!
I think it's becoming clear civility has completely broken down at this point. I think it ridiculous to propose we haven't been discussing physical appearance, because absolutely nobody has been talking about psychology and character reactions. Nobody. That's not at all what any of this has been about.
But again, the crux is: If you want something, make it. The successful people are making games which sell, with characters who are most visually appealing. What you claim as "diversity" in terms of "handsome, ugly, strong, weak, fat, skinny" is ridiculous, because a lot of enemies in games certainly are ugly. A lot of NPC's are certainly weak compared to the protagonist and antagonists. A lot of people certainly will be fat or skinny, and shot as NPC's in Grand Theft Auto. You don't want diversity - you want to prevent ideals from being presented in media.
I also never said "all males want X". I'm saying it sells more. If you disagree, make a game of the type with such characters, normalize them as fat and ugly or whatever, and prove you can sell it. Be positive, and stop winge-ing about it.
because absolutely nobody has been talking about psychology and character reactions. Nobody. That's not at all what any of this has been about.
That's exactly my point!
My first reply was to clarify Mrs Sarkeesian's position and what she's trying to say, but too many people dismiss her as soon as they perceive she's a feminist. Many feminists I've heard about have very sensible things to say and logically sound arguments. And too many people arguing with them use nothing but fallacies to attack them personally without much logic. Physical appearance and personality of fictional characters go together. Mrs Sarkeesian pledges for better written female characters first, and if we can make them look like actual women as well, all the best.
a lot of enemies in games certainly are ugly.
Exactly my point! I never talked about the role male characters had, they can be anything from the hero to the enemy to the NPC. But all of them, if they're female, will fall in the same physical and personality mold!
You don't want diversity - you want to prevent ideals from being presented in media.
This is completely ridiculous. It's not what I want at all, but it seems you can't even understand what I write. You're right about one thing though : it's completely useless to argue with you. Anything I write you morph it to fit your personal idea of me which has nothing to do with reality. So I'll stop replying about this particular issue. Have fun in your fantasy life where you don't have to understand anything that is said by someone who disagrees with you!
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[–] Bastou ago
I've never talked about appearance before you mentioned it. I even re-read all my comment replies to you to make sure. Not even once did I mention appearance. You shifted the meaning of normal in your last reply. I always talked about a normal intellect. In other words, a character that acts like it is human.
The appearance of female characters bothers me a bit less, but the feminist argument remains the same : they don't want to take anything away, they simply want more diversity.
Re-read my comment. I never said she couldn't be, I asked why she had to. I even put it in bold so you can see it! The problem isn't that there are sexy women in games. The problem is that there is nothing but sexy women. What feminists want is simply some examples of different women. Anyway, that's the sensible argument. If any feminist says otherwise, then attack them for their point of view.
Just compare the situation of female characters to the one of male characters for a second. There are all types of male characters : handsome, ugly, strong, weak, fat, skinny, and the same goes for personality. Female characters? Sexy, has big bouncing boobs, almost naked, says nothing but "help me" or "fuck me". I'm a heterosexual man myself, and personally, I prefer small to average size boobs. But these are very rare in video games, and I don't even care that much, it just serves as a counter argument that all male players want big breasted naked female characters. Anyway, if I really wanted to see tits, I'd watch porn, I wouldn't play games!
[–] Fact_Checking_Alien ago
I think it's becoming clear civility has completely broken down at this point. I think it ridiculous to propose we haven't been discussing physical appearance, because absolutely nobody has been talking about psychology and character reactions. Nobody. That's not at all what any of this has been about.
But again, the crux is: If you want something, make it. The successful people are making games which sell, with characters who are most visually appealing. What you claim as "diversity" in terms of "handsome, ugly, strong, weak, fat, skinny" is ridiculous, because a lot of enemies in games certainly are ugly. A lot of NPC's are certainly weak compared to the protagonist and antagonists. A lot of people certainly will be fat or skinny, and shot as NPC's in Grand Theft Auto. You don't want diversity - you want to prevent ideals from being presented in media.
I also never said "all males want X". I'm saying it sells more. If you disagree, make a game of the type with such characters, normalize them as fat and ugly or whatever, and prove you can sell it. Be positive, and stop winge-ing about it.
[–] Bastou ago
That's exactly my point!
My first reply was to clarify Mrs Sarkeesian's position and what she's trying to say, but too many people dismiss her as soon as they perceive she's a feminist. Many feminists I've heard about have very sensible things to say and logically sound arguments. And too many people arguing with them use nothing but fallacies to attack them personally without much logic. Physical appearance and personality of fictional characters go together. Mrs Sarkeesian pledges for better written female characters first, and if we can make them look like actual women as well, all the best.
Exactly my point! I never talked about the role male characters had, they can be anything from the hero to the enemy to the NPC. But all of them, if they're female, will fall in the same physical and personality mold!
This is completely ridiculous. It's not what I want at all, but it seems you can't even understand what I write. You're right about one thing though : it's completely useless to argue with you. Anything I write you morph it to fit your personal idea of me which has nothing to do with reality. So I'll stop replying about this particular issue. Have fun in your fantasy life where you don't have to understand anything that is said by someone who disagrees with you!