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[–] tanukihat 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

The canary dying (not being updated) means Voat has been served a warrant by government or law enforcement officials, and they've had a gag order placed on them that prevents them from telling us about it. The only way they can tell us is indirectly, by not saying they haven't been served (double negative = positive).

This can mean a lot of things. It could mean that law enforcement has forced Voat to give up your private details such as your IP address, which can be used to locate you. It could mean that posts from Voat are to be used as evidence in a court case against you. It could mean that posts have been removed or users have been banned at the request of the government or law enforcement.

No matter the reason, it's bad. Keep any and all private details off this website now, unless you want a knock on your door from the FBI.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 6 points 9 points (+15|-6) ago 

@tathatboomerang above is correct with some addittions.

voat has been served by a government, law enforcement officials, gagged in a corporate contract, or a personal contract, or a judge has come down with one.

they cannot tell us indirectly if they do they would be found to be breaking the gag and would face serious punishment. please don't fucking ruin the admins' lives.

VOAT IS THE LAST PLACE FOR FREE SPEECH ON THE NET

FIGHT NOW FOR FREEDOM

OR WATCH THE INTERNET FALL

RIGHT HERE, VOAT. FIGHT FOR FREE SPEECH.

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[–] TAThatBoomerang [S] 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

VOAT IS THE LAST PLACE FOR FREE SPEECH ON THE NET

I think this is why people have a hard time taking you seriously, because I don't think this is true.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 6 points 20 points (+26|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Explanation: You're looking at SaneGoatISwear's unbridled autism having found a soft target on Voat. He continually seeks to get attention for himself by claiming that the smallest bugs on Voat (inability to go past page 9 on user comments, slight verbiage issues on warrant canary page, users downvoting his ALL CAPS titles, warranty canary previously being allowed to lapse before being updated, etc (see below)) are world-ending events. He then pings the admins and creates 50 shitposts to try and get attention/fuck up Voat.

Here are some excerpts from this detractor and his past campaigns of disruption:

A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO SHILL FOR SILENCE @FUZZYWORDS. I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE INFO BY WHAT @FUZZYWORDS SAID ABOUT IT IN PM. WHAT THEY DID WAS STILL SHILLING. I HAVE NO PROOF OF SJW

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1538559

tonight, @fuzzywords will be unveiled as 100% sjw. proof has been shown(see fuzzy's comment history & post history re: me, check sources.) fuzzy shills for silence on voat.tonight, the full truth.

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1538085

i will give @fuzzywords a few hours to admit She is an sjw shill here on voat for the purpose of turning voat into an sjw haven for fee fees and has actively subverted free speech on voat (v/whatever)

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1538001

i'm calling out @Oeethagreat as a disinformation shill that purposefully maliciously posted in order to attempt to attack me and push a massive disinformation and defamation campaign against me

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1531641

TO THE IDIOT WHO JUST DOWNVOATED MY POSTS -100. SCP DOES NOT MATTER. IT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING BUT MAKE ME LAUGH PLEASE DON'T STAHP

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1531603

i was banned from v/historyanecdotes for saying nice and funny things, and making on-topic comments that others with similar comment do not get deleted/banned for.

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1531046

hello @puttitout there's a serious bug in voat right now. i'm not the only one. clicking the message box icon leads to the WHOOPS page. CANNOT get into submission mentions AT ALL

https://voat.co/v/voatdev/1529196

VOAT FOI REQUEST: @atko @puttitout how long does voat store the ip's registered on all comments, posts, and votes?

https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/1523059

"WE MISS YOU #REALATKO, WHATEVER DARK CELL THE SJW HAVE YOU IN"

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1521076

@ATKO @ATKO @ATKO @ATKO @ATKO

@ATKO @ATKO @ATKO @ATKO @ATKO

YOU SHOULD COME ACTUALLY TALK TO US FOR FUCKING ONCE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1520967

YOU KNOW IT'S SJW-TAKEOVER WHEN THE MOOD CHANGES FROM "FREE SPEECH" TO "THERE'S A CULTURE AROUND HERE OF BEING NICE TO FELLOW GOATS, LETS KEEP OUR VOICES DOWN AND BE NICE, GOATS"

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1520699


These aren't SaneGoatISwear's posts from months and months ago, this is just from the last 14 days in his submission history, and I included only about 1/4 of posts like this.

He's an occasionally successful troll that searches for soft targets that Voat cares about, then bitches about them mercilessly until our retard-fatigue sets in. This method also preys on users who haven't yet heard of him.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I agree, which is why I call it a soft target. I think every one of us should want the warrant canary to be updated, though we haven't been given a promise that it'll be updated 30 days. This was a requirement that SaneGoatISwear invented, and he began pinging the admins with "reminders" that that canary would expire as quickly as 15 days into its last update. He's only freaking out about 30 days because it's a convenient number.

Here's where it was last updated on 12/5/16: https://voat.co/v/announcements/1330806

And before that it wasn't updated 30 days prior, it was 60 days, and so we're within the normal update window. This is all much ado about nothing, just like SGIS's other Chicken Little posts.

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[–] p0ssumsAlt 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

How much you want to bet that atko and puttitout programatically send his pings to the bin?

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[–] xyzzy 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

What has happened?

The canary has not been updated for over a month

How do you know this has happened?

Check the edited date on the canary post

How does this happening effect the users of Voat?

Maybe there has been a request from authorities to take down a post, which makes Voat a censored platform.

EDIT: What is a gag-order? How can a gag-order be placed on a website where 99.99% of all content is created by the users?

A gag order forbids the admins to tell that there was a takedown order. This is why there is a canary which will not be updated if that happens.

EDIT: What is a "canary page"?

A page saying "we did not receive any takedown orders" which will be removed when there is a takedown order. This is to work around gag orders since it is not telling about it. In case of Voat it is some post which usually gets edited every few weeks.

The whole thing is just a big drama about nothing. Everything posted is public anyway.

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[–] TAThatBoomerang [S] 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

I see, so it's illegal if they say "we have been gagged" but it's not illegal for them to not say that they have not been gagged?

Thing that has me tripped is, the powers that wish to shut down Voat's free speech gives zero shits about legal procedure. What's to stop them from "convincing" the admins to just pretend everything is fine?

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[–] xyzzy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

so it's illegal if they say "we have been gagged" but it's not illegal for them to not say that they have not been gagged?

Yes, in theory. AFAIK this has never been decided in a court.

the powers that wish to shut down Voat's free speech gives zero shits about legal procedure

If it's governments, they have not really another option. If it's SJW's they'll upload child porn and then tell the hoster that Voat has that. For a site like Voat a gag order is unlikely, it is used against email providers and such where there is private information.

What's to stop them from "convincing" the admins to just pretend everything is fine?

Nothing, and maybe there are new gag orders which order prison time if the canary is taken down. Canaries are not a very good solution to gag orders, but noone has come up with a better idea.

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[–] carlinco 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

A public company is bound by those gag orders, but also bound by laws to be truthful to their interest holders. So a canary is a clever way to put themselves between a rock and a hard place when a gag order, or server search, or such happens. They'll break the laws about the gag order not really, as they are not 'saying' anything, just remove what was said earlier. And the government can't just make them not remove it, as that would make the government take part in officially illegal deeds. There's probably going to be some law against canaries eventually, but only when it actually helped hinder an investigation. Until then, no-one's going to bother.

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[–] nmgoh2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's important to note that the powers that be aren't restricting the USER's freedom of speech. Just restricting VOAT ADMINS ability to speak about data collected by the government.

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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

When I check the edit page it says edited 20 minutes ago.

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[–] Klaxon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've been looking for the link to that page. Would you mind sharing it?

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[–] xyzzy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

then everything is safe again

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[–] Owlchemy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Agree. Funny how people put so much drama (paranoia) behind something so meaningless. Like anyone who wanted doesn't already see everything posted, and we can't see stuff taken down, assuming they feel the need.

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[–] 7552610 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What is the up-to-date canary system? Are you proposing a no-canary system?

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[–] 7551893 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

@atko update the canary.

How can you say a canary is not a big deal. What if rhey took over the server and gavr the gag orders so we cant be warned. They could delete or edit our messages without us knowing. They could read our private messages, doxx and track down resarches. IT IS A BIG DEAL

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[–] TAThatBoomerang [S] 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

How can you say a canary is not a big deal.

Source or it didn't happen.

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[–] 7551947 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Sorry, someone in the comments said it aint a big deal. Whoever thinky like that is a fool. Voat is about free speech, a gag order is a big deal.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Voats canary is at https://voat.co/v/announcements/1330806 and is now updated as of today.

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[–] damnittohell 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

They should just call it a reminder. I don't know why people need to come up with stupid & confusing names for things (oh but it sounds "hip" duh!, oh but it literally is an OLD term that makes it "hip" duh! don't you know ANYTHING it's [current year]!!! ice cream sandwich sounds cool omgyouguyz! let's name our shit after diabetes foods or cats yeah that's cool!).

Every so often they send out a message "We haven't been served with a warrant in X days." If you don't see that message it means they have been served with a warrant. That's all it is. They just gave it a stupid name.

It is a similar idea as that joke picture with the number of days since a Muslim terrorist attack. If you never see that picture there haven't been any attacks. Unfortunately we keep seeing it.

If you keep seeing the warrant message there haven't been any warrants. Unfortunately we are not seeing it.

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[–] piratse 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It literally comes from an OLD term of a canary in the coal mines.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

use a VPN and stop worrying about sane and his autism

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