Archived What was the worst disaster in Western history? (OccidentalEnclave)
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Archived What was the worst disaster in Western history? (OccidentalEnclave)
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[–] WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Failing to contain islam when it was in its infancy.
The Byzantines and the Persians had beat each other up that neither both lost trying to fight the arabs on their own. They should have put aside their differences in the 7th century and driven the arabs back into the arabian desert for good.
[–] Oswy 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Good one, though our Western civilisation only encountered Islam when it hit Spain. We weren't really ready to deal with such a big problem then. I'd say that the discovery of America in 1492 was an unfortunate moment - without it, the reconquistadores would have continued on through North Africa, eventually to reach Jerusalem. Just imagine the effort that was put into conquering America having been used for this instead. We could THEN have turned west, just with a bit of a delay. The experience would probably have made lots of changes to how we dealt with the colonies, though it's impossible to say how this might have turned out.
[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
You should probably consider how much events after 1492 strengthened Habsburg Spain and how not having the power gained through the acquisition of wealth in the Americas would have compromised it in a time when the Ottomans were at the zenith of their power.
These Atlantic maritime powers were more or less middlin' backwaters before 1492. Columbus heralded one of the great triumphs and expansions of power in Western history. Very possibly the greatest even. I can't think of a better takeoff point. Western rule has been of the last 500 years.
[–] WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Incorrect, the byzantine empire fought some of the first wars against the muslims in the 7th century as it was starting to expand out of the arabian peninsula. That was why I mentioned it. Europeans could have continued to dominate the entire meditteranean even up to the modern day if the arabs had been contained at that point
[–] Quaestorr 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
The last option, no doubt. (The Civil Rights Movement sorta interlinks with it though, but without mass immigration caused by demographic pressure from the third world birth explosion, it would have been a limited phenomenon.)
[–] 1Sorry_SOB 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
WW1. Versailles / War reparations
[–] Walk1 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Obviously WWII(Europeans genocided off other Europeans) and it began the era of virulent leftism which would be with us even without the technological boom in the third-world and the Green Revolution.
The Nazis left such a damaging legacy that we might never recover from it in any sense of the word. The Civil Rights movement and second wave feminism are two other things that have absolutely shattered the white family and have torn American society asunder in such a fashion where it is bound to decay and corrode into a putrid stinking mess of racial and identity politics that favors colored people at every step and "oppresses" whites as if it was an ordinary and natural thing to do. Again, the civil rights movement was jettisoned by the cruelty and nastiness of the Nazis and is why the Nazis will never see the light of day(destroyed massive aspects of European culture and killed millions upon millions of white Europeans(Slavs of different types).
I think the technological boom and Green Revolution will just test our strength, our durability, and generally the propensity/elasticity of the white race to respond to the prospects of its decline and the "rise" of the non-white races. I think at the end of the day the Nazis have killed our chances of ever being able to salvage our situation in the West, since it has allowed the left to arm themselves to the teeth against us, unless of course one can justify something like genocide, which I don't think even the most radical and nastiest of people can justify intellectually, mentally, or when it comes to reality(to act upon and do it).
The Black Death regenerated Europe and sort of gave it new life and pushed it into the modern era and increased the wages for workers and drove things from a dependence on agriculture to a growing dependence on commercialism which paves the road to the settlement of the New World. The Thirty Years War was disastrous on Germany and basically destroyed whatever was left of the Holy Roman Emperor, but it essentially provided Germany with new life by realigning power from the Hapsburgs, whose power focused around the Western parts of the Holy Roman Emperor(the mercantilist and more industrialized parts) to the Northern and eventually more Prussian parts of Germany, which redirected Germany's drive from the West back to the East and a more manorial and agricultural economy and way of life.
WW1 was bad too as it essentially ended the era of colonialism in some manner and was the death of any hope for a German Empire in Europe that would have ensured the ascendancy and solidification of the power of the European aristocracy over Western European oligarchs/plutocrats and democracy.
I'd say the most disastrous has been in this ranking, WWII, Civil Rights Movement, WWI, Green Revolution, the Black Death(restructured Europe's traditional society and cultural framework, which had a drastic impact on the way life was run, but also was responsible for more progress), and the Thirty Years War(it could be considered more destructive if pushing Germany towards the East caused Germany to un-align itself from the West which happened with the loss of the Hapsburgs).
[–] PuttsMum 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The failure of the Allies to carry on to Berlin and beat Germany into unconditional surrender in WW1 meant WW2 was inevitable. That was a bit of a disaster.
[–] Oswy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
They did surrender. It would've been no different had we pressed more into German territory. We fucked them up good and proper afterwards anyway. It was THAT disgusting mistreatment of Germany which made the sequel guaranteed.
[–] PuttsMum 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The Allies did not push for unconditional surrender, that's an historical fact and that was their biggest mistake because the German army never considered itself beaten in 1918. Round two was always going to happen.
[–] FuckYou_Joe_McCarthy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I vote for "The Jews".
[–] realneil 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Letting the bankers have control.
[–] TheEmpress 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
WWI considering it spawned WWII and the demographic disaster we've had since.