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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

You actually think this is a serious position? I expect this from Jew baiting retards but you should know better than to expect Western states to clear the way for Russia on the prospect that a few of you can move in with Russian Muslims after you tire of the Western European variety.

Your position is laughably divorced from reality at any rate.

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[–] Oswy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

A FEW OF ME? I am not thinking about MYSELF, or even the next few generations of my family. I'm thinking about our fucking race. The kind of humanity that's produced almost everything we consider to be of any value whatsoever. THOSE are the stakes. THAT is the timeline I look at. Against this, worrying about a base here and a bit of leverage there are disgustingly petty considerations.

Just look at all the crap the British Empire concerned itself with in the 1800s. All this Cape-To-Cairo stuff, all that defending the Jewel In The Crown, all the pissing about in Canton - all for WHAT now, in the longer term? What good has ANY of it achieved for the British peoples?! The only REALLY important legacies were the establishment of settler colonies, some of which have since been destroyed, and of which all the remainder face major threats. All American foreign policy "realists'" preoccupations today will look even more pointless one hundred years down the line. If people aren't outright CURSING you for the results of them that they have to live with in 2117.

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[–] Oswy ago 

Actually, though, I'd be saying similar if it was CHINA, for whom I have next to zero personal affection. I just don't want to provoke a terrible war.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Mostly you just don't understand foreign policy. Which is lamentable as we've known each other long enough for you to know better if nothing else.

Our China policy is truly critical. By bottling them up in their backyard and contesting their claims to resources in the region we contain their strength and keep them focused on defending themselves near their borders. They're so preoccupied with our alliance system and trying to bully their neighbors to grab resources that they can't even begin to seriously focus on moving into our hemisphere to threaten us.

Russia is unimportant to the US by comparison but to expect some white kumbaya if we disengaged with them is just criminally retarded. You'd get a bunch of scared little countries going nuclear and probably Russia invading them to prevent them from getting there.

Re: the British Empire. It prevented both Germans and Russians from dominating the world - including your own people. Even a lowly Englishman is respected because of imperial prestige but it also made the country wealthy and cultured - a legacy it lives off of to this day.