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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The only problem with this is that the bloviating and lack of clarity makes this look like a scattershot childish move. In fact, I think it is fairly obvious Russia was interfering.
They definitely used social media to try move the narratives and most people on Facebook and Twitter don't notice when they are arguing with shills as opposed to other citizens with genuine opinions. It also appears they did in fact hack into various electoral computer systems.
I don't think they changed the election at all, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't punish them for it. I spanked my kids when they broke the rules even though I knew they would. Putin is no different, but much more dangerous. He will take everything he can get and he will never stop pushing the boundaries.
We should impose very stiff penalties, but they should be for things we know he did. Claiming shit that is probably not real weakens our position. The problem isn't the sanctions, it is their weak justification.
[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Meanwhile, it is clear Mexican interference had some influence on the vote totals:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/22/report-mexico-giving-an-assist-to-stop-trump-effort/
I'm not sure what should be done precisely to stop the above but that it's been ignored in favor of this Russia narrative shows how much Democrats control the narrative.
[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yeah. I have no problem coming down on them, too. But I think the type of sanctions pursued with a country like Russia are not the same. Mexico is one of our biggest trading partners. So we need to find ways to hurt them without hurting ourselves disproportionately.
Also, Russia is close to being a peer when one looks at the international arean. Mexico is not. Sometimes that means being harder on Mexico for the same infractions. Sometimes it means being harder of Russia. But the two are different calculations. With Mexico the biggest punishment we can give is simply returning all their wayward citizens. (And enacting money transfer protocols making it more difficult for illegals here to expatriate our money.)