I've had a crazy idea rolling around in my head and I would appreciate criticism on where I'm going wrong.
Lately I've been reading a lot about the Amish and watching Varg Vikernes videos about exiting society and living off-grid.
Orania in South Africa celebrated its 25th birthday earlier this year and I've been looking into the similarities between them, the Amish, and what makes them successful, and the following 3 strike me as key:
2 - They have their own languages, Pennsylvania Dutch for the Amish and Afrikaans for the Oranians. This is important because it provides a significant soft barrier of entry. If a neighborhood existed in the United States where everyone only spoke Cambodian to one another, I would not want to buy a house there.
3 - Neither of them is explicitly "pro-white." Whenever questioned on why they live as they do, the reasons given are always along the lines of living the lifestyle of their choice, raising their children without outside influence, or practicing their freedom of religion as they see fit, etc.
With all that in mind, here is my idea and I would much appreciate any constructive criticism on it...
I've been interested in off-gridding for a long time and have been saving a lot of money and working towards being able to mostly work from home. I now have the money necessary to purchase hundreds of acres of uninhabited, airable land. The land would be located approximately one hour away from a major city, so commuting to and from for employment would be possible. The idea would be to start very small. Build my own self sustaining setup with wells dug, solar, perhaps wind/water wheel power if feasible, gardens, chickens, etc.
The plan would begin to take effect when I start inviting other off-gridders that I befriend who meet my criteria to build and live on my land. My criteria will be that they are:
-white
-redpilled
-want to raise a traditional family in peace and safety
-have a means of income to support themselves long-term.
I would continue to allow more and more in, and as more and more land is utilized, it could eventually become profitable to sell what we produce. Once this happens, a select number of the inhabitants could quit their external jobs and work full-time growing crops, raising alpacas, whatever it ends up being. Once a few hundred people are living there, we would begin to have need for things like our own private school, a local doctor who visits your home as in antiquity, maybe a diner, etc. We wouldn't need an actual police force, as neighborhood watch volunteers would take care of that, as it does in Orania, which is virtually crime-free anyway.
Eventually the powers that be will find out about us and the machine will go to work on trying pozz and demonize us. This is when we need to have a narrative ready to present to the media and this is the phase I am looking for ideas the most on. I think we have a few options here and they are not mutually exclusive...
1 - We state that we all just want to live as independently from government as possible and enjoy the lifestyle of off-gridding to give ourselves the most control over our own lives.
2 - We find the public education system unsatisfactory and desired to create our own system for our children.
3 - We wanted to create a way for couples to produce large families that may not be easy or affordable to do in the modern world.
An alternative option is that we simply go balls out with the 14 words and say that we wanted to combat white demographic decline, so we decided to start a coalition of ourselves to produce as many white children as possible. We argue that this is the best way to solve the problem because we are doing it in a completely non-violent way. When a journalist interviews me on why I discriminate against non-whites, I could say, "I don't discriminate against people who are not white. If any non-whites want to come into my organization to help produce white children, they are welcome to come help us in that endeavor."
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[–] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Two established communities run by radicals in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim_City,_Oklahoma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Creek_Community
The second is increasingly under fire by the Justice Department but the average person there is 13. The median age for whites in the US is 42.
These communities seem to work best when built around religion. Inviting racialist randoms might devolve into something resembling a Lord of the Flies scenario. These types tend to be extreme individualists personally despite their collectivist political beliefs and getting misfits and violence inclined screwballs may be unavoidable. This last point had much to do with why Aryan Nations lost its property in Idaho.
My own plan just involved pretty average, if conservative, white guys.
[–] CervicalStrike [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Yes, I do agree that a religious component to this would be beneficial. My ideal scenario would involve some form of European Paganism that venerates forces of nature and our ancestors. I think this would be good both because I am interested in Europeans returning to pre-imported Judeo desert religion times and also because it would make us look more hippy-dippy and harmless to outsiders.
[–] 9-11 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
really?
[–] Quaestorr ago
it is only now that I see the Varg Vikernes reference. While I personally have a soft spot for Varg (I even play the incidental Burzum record every once in a while), and think he has got some sensible things to say, I think that in general he is way too extreme/weird to see as some sort of a guide. I suppose it is okay to see him as a personal inspiration, but I would hesitate to regard him as some sort of authority on starting your own community: imho he's way too much a 'drop out' advocate.
[–] Quaestorr ago
That is indeed how I see the essential Christianity, but let us not forget that it was historically not perceived as such, and that for centuries it was a great inspiration to our ancestors. That, imho, is not to the credits of Christianity, but to the credits of our ancestors*! We've outgrown the religion; I realize that fact comes with its own problems, but pretending we still believe in the Hebrew YHWH is not a real solution. Paganism would require a lot of effort to get it to functioning properly, but I like how you see its relatively immature/weird imago as an advantage!
*(I like to compare European Christianity to a pearl: it is a beautiful gem, yet its essential core is an alien, potentially threatening irritant; the beautiful outer layers are in fact the result of the attacked organism's immune response.)
[–] 6314955? ago
What's wrong with something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
[–] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
I don't have a critique (at least not at the moment) but on a related note I thought seriously about buying or leasing a specific town in a remote area not too long ago. It is on a route for truckers and has an old shack (the whole town is tiny) and the old guys that used to run it had some kind of shop. I might have turned it into a donut shop. Trouble was I needed three guys and only got two. Both prospects were older too so the town might not have lasted very long. It's still deserted now and may get bulldozed soon given government plans in the area.
[–] Quaestorr 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Too bad I already established a life here, otherwise I might have crossed the Atlantic and be the third guy of your occidental donut shop.
[–] Quaestorr 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I think it'd be best to avoid any association with the 14 words or any other such 'white nationalist' memes. In the first place because it attracts bad publicity, and in the second place because, unfortunately, it attract weirdos (I mean sympathizer who are also weirdos, reinforcing the negative stereotypes). Better stay as close to the mainstream as possible, low-profile about the 'whites only' aspect, and develop some sort of covert way to attract, and communicate with, like-minded people.
But these are just my two cents. I have no experience in this, and I also do not reside in the US.
Anyway, I wish you good luck!!
Btw afaik Orania is struggling to get more people involved. Good to learn that they're still carrying on. My avatar was taken from their flag.
[–] CervicalStrike [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Thank you. I agree about keeping it as low-profile as possible. I want to essentially look like a community of hippies to the outside world. While I consider myself an "ethnic nationalist," I don't favor being associated with what people think of when they think of "neo-nazis." I consider them basically LARPers.
[–] Quaestorr 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
It should be doable, and I suppose that there are actually many such all-white, or almost all-white communities in the U.S. except that few if any of these were consciously created to be that. Lol, yes many such explicit people seem like LARPers.
What your plan imho entails:
gather enough 'ethnically conscious' people of Europid descent with the means to buy some real estate
find a correct spot
build your community
keep it going on, while avoiding accusations that you are hate mongering or indoctrinating the young ones.
-4- seems the most difficult to me. An educational emphasis of biology (breeding, hybridization etc.) in general, and on human evolution in particular, is recommendable imho. People must realize that ethnicity is a precious thing that can be distorted or lost within a generation.
By extension, ethnocultural preservation can be seen as, and presented as, in line with environmental awareness.
[–] 6314011? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
How is your plan different than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Leith
[–] CervicalStrike [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
It's different because rather than trying to infiltrate and transform an existing community, this would be building one from complete scratch, and 100% privately owned by one entity, similar to Orania. The other thing is that the initial phase of my idea is publicly all about off-gridding, and this phase would take years to develop before anyone is the wiser.
[–] 6314095? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I had to look it up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape#History
It sounds like it could work, but Orania was a pre-existing town that was purchased as a whole, so it already had roads, power, water, etc. With modern technology, as long as there was a good aquifer (not contaminated by fracking or brackish water or being sucked dry by a nearby municipality) you could pump your own water, and use solar and wind for electricity, so you could be pretty independent.
It would be important not to attract attention like Waco or any other independent enclave that generates suspicion.
[–] josemon ago
I do see a problem that would need to be addressed. A town needs jobs and companies are forced to keep diversity quotas. How can you counter that?
[–] CervicalStrike [S] ago
http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/employment-law-and-human-resources/are-employers-required-to-have-affirmative-action-plans.html