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I agree. I feel like we're starting to see more and more of Red Pill attitudes and ideology creep in the MRM and it's a bit troubling.
Humans naturally love to gravitate toward absolutes...you're either a misogynist or a feminist. You're a democrat or a republican. You're a Christian or you're an atheist. You're oppressed or you're privileged. In reality, social issues are rarely ever absolute. The only things in this universe that are absolute is math and certain aspects of the sciences. Politics, philosophy, religion, social issues, government, etc. they're all varying different shades of gray.
So it's a little grating to explain to both feminists and other MRAs that, yes, I can browse places like /r/feMRAdebates attempting to reach a middle ground instead of perpetuating the Us vs. Them mentality. I can support GamerGate while also calling out any Red Pill bullshit that might be creeping in. I feel like no matter what, one side or the other considers me an extremist, simply because I don't fully fall in line with either side. It's the same for politics...I'm not a Democrat, Republican, or a Libertarian, yet there are aspects of all three of those parties that I like and agree with. There are also aspects of all three that I don't agree with.
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The two concepts were inseparable
Are you kidding? Have you read The Red Pill handbook? It's completely antithetical to men's rights. It promotes backwards gender roles and is filled with blatant misandry and misogyny. I mean, I'm not making this up.
Women rely on men to be emotionally stoic, we often call this "holding frame" you have to be mentally strong so she can lean on you, she finds that attractive. You cannot lean on her, there is a double standard, if you lean on her the relationship will fall apart, she will not be able to handle your problems and she will no longer find you attractive. You are a man. You have to be better than her, which means to be stronger than she is. This is why women get to be emotional and we have to be non-reactive, we are strong and ignore our emotions so they can indulge in their emotions and enjoy the ride.
Seriously, anyone who knows even the slightest bit about the MRM will recognize that TRP ideals are in complete opposition to men's rights. TRP takes everything that mens rights has done to make society accepting of men's vulnerabilities and shit on it. It's rooted in a Victorian view on male and female gender roles and has not even the slightest resemblance to what the MRM's ideals are.
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[–] AustNerevar 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
I agree. I feel like we're starting to see more and more of Red Pill attitudes and ideology creep in the MRM and it's a bit troubling.
Humans naturally love to gravitate toward absolutes...you're either a misogynist or a feminist. You're a democrat or a republican. You're a Christian or you're an atheist. You're oppressed or you're privileged. In reality, social issues are rarely ever absolute. The only things in this universe that are absolute is math and certain aspects of the sciences. Politics, philosophy, religion, social issues, government, etc. they're all varying different shades of gray.
So it's a little grating to explain to both feminists and other MRAs that, yes, I can browse places like /r/feMRAdebates attempting to reach a middle ground instead of perpetuating the Us vs. Them mentality. I can support GamerGate while also calling out any Red Pill bullshit that might be creeping in. I feel like no matter what, one side or the other considers me an extremist, simply because I don't fully fall in line with either side. It's the same for politics...I'm not a Democrat, Republican, or a Libertarian, yet there are aspects of all three of those parties that I like and agree with. There are also aspects of all three that I don't agree with.
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[–] AustNerevar 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago (edited ago)
Are you kidding? Have you read The Red Pill handbook? It's completely antithetical to men's rights. It promotes backwards gender roles and is filled with blatant misandry and misogyny. I mean, I'm not making this up.
Seriously, anyone who knows even the slightest bit about the MRM will recognize that TRP ideals are in complete opposition to men's rights. TRP takes everything that mens rights has done to make society accepting of men's vulnerabilities and shit on it. It's rooted in a Victorian view on male and female gender roles and has not even the slightest resemblance to what the MRM's ideals are.