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[–] PolishPandaBear 0 points 56 points (+56|-0) ago 

Reddit is not longer suited for discussions. It is not an open community. Give it a year and it will only be used for porn and pictures of cats.

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[–] SuperConductiveRabbi 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

It was designed to be. It started out that way. It's the core value that made people flock to it and tell their friends about it.

I do not recognize Reddit anymore. It's mind boggling to me how it's somehow normal on that site to have a few children and shills decide what people can and can't talk about, when the entire purpose of the site was to let the votes decide.

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[–] NotAnUndercoverCop 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

For me it died the day they removed the down vote counter.

It's never recovered since and probably never will.

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[–] 1smartass 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It was designed to be. It started out that way

Nah, as soon as they started subreddits, and mods got a ban feature, the censorship started. I could give lots of names and examples. Very often it's propagandists/activists of one sort or another, but sometimes it's people running their subs as clubs that revolve around them.

Violentacrez fucked with the userbase via the create a subreddit feature, ban feature, and he had dozens of alt accounts. He was doing it before SRS type subreddits and their moderators were.

Erik Martin (HueyPriest), Steve Huffman (Spez), and Alexis Ohanian (kn0thing) knew what asshole mods were doing, got lots of complaints from the userbase, and didn't do shit about it. Always remember, it took CNN to get them to get rid of violentacrez, otherwise they wouldn't have done shit about him.

I wish I remember the phrase they often used when asked why they let mods fuck with the userbase, but it came from Star Trek.

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[–] DrSalt 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

the entire purpose of the site was to let the votes decide.

I've been involved in computing social media software dev since 1985 (BBS days). Usenet crumbled too, and I consider reddit-like to be pretty close to what Usenet was back in the early 1990's - allowing many topics (and it had the advantage of no centralized ownership, it was peer to peer with hundreds of owners). Interesting, in 1986 a Public Television Broadcast by a retired New York Professor - at the age of 82, might shed some light on the social behaviors of why these things degrade.

Yesterday, for example, I spent the entire day on Reddit posting a detailed observation about the film Interstellar. This is no ordinary film, and I was making the case that there is a lot more to the film than had been observed since it's November 2014 release date. This is an area of great interest to me, as it relates to world peace (the film itself is about world wars and destroying the Earth).

It was a painful hate-filled day. Eventually it got driven into the ground of negative votes. Which brings me back to your quote:

the entire purpose of the site was to let the votes decide.

Reddiquite education said down votes do NOT decide comments so directly. If comments were on-topic to a sub or topic posting, downvote was not to be disagree hammer. This was less clear, but also true for self-posts (on-site original content, not links offsite). Down-vote intention was really just to eliminate spam and entirely off-topic things (such as humor low-effort MEME images in a sub that specifically said to keep that out for sake of quality). Alas, all that seems gone - I've seen that crumble too, as people use downvote as a way to filter and push content off sub pages and even comment discussions as their ideal of "filtering" and getting to the exciting content they desire.

2 hours after posting about the film, it was +6. Then, 14 hours after posting about the Film, when negative results on the specific Film posting... I pretty much knew what had happened. I'd seen all this before in my 9 years of Reddit, mostly in the past 2 years.

Anyway, the 1986 television show broadcast really basically outlined that I should have expected all this. It's the basis of much of our world's conflicts. Less precise, and what I add on my own in 2015 - that it's the basis of how advertising and marketing works in modern times (essentially since 1929). It's less that advertising creates it, as much as it discovered the same social patterns, formally wrote books on how to do it, and then teaches how to apply it at university. I'd argue that it's destroyed the very fabric of the United States of America (of which I am born and live)... which was my very topic of the Film posting - saying that the Film was a criticism of a particular kind of reactionary thinking that puts all of a society in a toilet. Taken a step further, the 1986 Television show (not about the Internet or computers, mind you) - went so far as to point out that the Founding Fathers of America specifically warned against this type of reactionary thinking - and tried to educate everyone - by printing two art diagrams on every USA $1 Bill. It was the very basis of new Democracy itself (which again, ties to my quote about you saying "votes decide" and what seems wrong today).

It's all happened before, echoing through each of human socities. It's sad to me when people reach the level of war and peer to peer murder over it. Very sad.

P.S. I wish to point out that I watch for these same down-vote patterns, even when the content is not my own - and even when not topics of personal interest to me. Like I said, peace and violence is my general concern - I never really feel comfortable with any war or murder - so I've always had an eye out for why people seem to support wars and hate-filled conflicts. That's been my personal motivation to pay attention to particular social patterns. Be it Rice Farmers in Japan or Corn Farmers in Indiana - you can turn them both into organized killers if you educate their minds in a particular fashion of "save your wife and kids" - for a over-simple example.

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[–] 2322727? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

But don't you understand? Voters were wrong

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[–] Weasel118 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Not even porn. They have shut down porn subs

[–] [deleted] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] kurtznnj 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Agreed. Because there is a system that rewards like-mindedness this creates polarization. When this occurs, the opinions of the group become more extreme than the opinions in the individuals that comprise the group. Next, honest disagreements between like-minded people do not occur or are outlawed.

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[–] DonBrodka 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

For those wondering, it was a comment chain basically mocking OP for not making the connection between Nazi concentration camps and their idea for refugee camps.

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[–] destinthegreat 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Wow I guess it's rational

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[–] Ricwulf 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

You're getting downvoted, but you are right. The guy said "Serious Question". Mods took that as he didn't want jokes, so it is understandable that they would remove it. I don't agree with it, but it isn't really wrong either. Should it have been more clear though? Yes.

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[–] Diavolo1988 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

but wouldn't it be better if the comments were simply downvoted, so that others can come in and see?

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

That's what happens when Redditors don't post "the right answer". That would be what Reddit mods and admins want to hear. It's really sad to see the end of open discussions on really serious issues that will significantly and negatively affect the lives of Europeans and their respective countries going forward.

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[–] CobraStallone 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Jesus, what the fuck. I saw that thread earlier today and it wasn't like the deleted shit was pro-nazi, or offensive, or incredibly ignorant or anything.

Simply put dissidence of any type is not allowed on Reddit. Fuck that shit, let's get this joint running, or a new one or whatever; that site is over and done I want to watch it burn.

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[–] Ricwulf 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Apparently it was a joke that got deleted. Basically joking about how Germany and camps don't go together too well.

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[–] Death_By_Internet 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If the thread had a serious tag, wouldn't comments that are not serious be deleted?

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[–] Vladimara 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Do you honestly think that every single one of those comments where jokes, in a serious thread?

It's much more likely that it was censorship.

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[–] offendme 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This is what so many people don't understand about the censorship on reddit. They think it was just banning FPH and CT that people are angry about but you cannot have a discussion about anything that matters on any sub on the website. They are under complete end to end censorship of anything that might be offensive.

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[–] Adrint 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Bloody hell, this is just getting pathetic.

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[–] massiveprivilege 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Im starting to see [deleted comment by moderator on dd.mm.yy] here on voat as well. Are they deleting opinions or spam? How can we tell? Can we see which moderator deleted a comment and what the comment was?

I heard something about "modlog" but i cant find it.

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[–] kevdude 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

v/nameofsubverse/modlog/deleted

v/nameofsubverse/modlog/deletedcomments

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[–] massiveprivilege 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That is amazing. Keeps the mods accountable.

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