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[–] VivaFrei 0 points 95 points (+95|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What really bothers me is once you know there is manipulation going on, even if the content is good, it becomes suspect. For example, right now on the front page there is:

1) A funny pic of people cosplaying characters from a Disney movie. Did it get to the front because of some manipulation / paid advertising from Disney?

2) The official trailer for Lobster made the front page. Did promoters pay for it to get manipulated to max viewing?

3) There is an "Ask Reddit" as to what the most informative YouTube channel is. Is the top comment actually what people voted as most interesting, or have deleted comments / vote manipulation sullied or tampered with what appears to be the top comment.

Once a site has lost credibility, it is impossible to take anything that site says as accurate. And that is a big problem for me. Even if I might find the content interesting, I don't like being manipulated, lied to, or used as a consumer in some paid-for marketing campaign.

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[–] Andar 0 points 56 points (+56|-0) ago 

That's a really good description for why I don't like reddit anymore. Sure. There's still content, but it's now in the same category as television and all the other bullshit corporate media. I want to organically discover and share content with my fellow human beings. I don't want a colossal corporate conglomerate curating content to control my conciousness.

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[–] derventa 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I still visit the smaller obscure subreddits, but even those will sometimes have a front page post that was blatantly paid for.

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[–] dismalinterest 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Nice alliteration!

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[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Unfortunately there is no way to monetize organic content. They have to sell influence which requires deceiving the user base. The Voat founders have to be far more creative than reddit if they are going to make money off their current user base.

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[–] RunningShark 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Haven't you heard the arguments why we left though? apparently we are all women hating fat hating racists.

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[–] TheHammer 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Hey, why doesn't the FTC get on them for advertising content where it is not properly marked as sponsored content?

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[–] Freakazoid 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Lol, I didn't know that was actually a rule. Interesting...

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[–] Obamadid911 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"Learn this one trick that the FTC doesn't want you to know!"

Idk if the ftc regulates internet ads. If so, they're doing a crap job.

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[–] Bindlestiff 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

the problem is trying to prove it, but I totally endorse busting them for undisclosed ads.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What tipped me off was the overwhelming amount of pro-refugee posts in the last week, and not even a peep of the discord on the front page. Reddit is the same as the NYT now, not to be trusted, and unfortunately controlled.

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[–] buttermouth 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yesterday's top post was an blatant sponsored post. It was picture of a guy getting an Apple watch and his girlfriend calling him out that she knows he gets texts on there. It wasn't even funny and got like 7k up votes. /r/hailcorporate said that all anti apple watch comments were deleted or downvoted.

I don't think I've ever seen such a blatant example of a sponsored post. I'm also pretty sure it's illegal according to the FTC to have sponsored posts without revealing that they are paid.

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[–] VivaFrei 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I saw that one... The funny thing is it actually made me not want an Apple watch even more! lol.

And I truly believe that all r/gaming posts that make the front page are paid for by the promoters of the specific game as marketing.

Or maybe I am just paranoid and delusional.

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[–] slfnflctd 1 points 82 points (+83|-1) ago 

Human memory is generally unreliable, but I believe I actually read this when it was first posted.

I remember thinking, "yeah, that makes a lot of sense, with all these page views I bet something like it will happen"

Then I went back to my /r/all tab and clicked 'next' at the bottom of the page.

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[–] j32571p7 1 points 57 points (+58|-1) ago  (edited ago)

And now you're here.

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[–] GuenMakunikoru 0 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago 

Funny how things work out sometimes.

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[–] YoHomie 1 points 40 points (+41|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Damn, what is the guys username, Nostradamus?

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

I'd say this guy is better. Nostradamus was so vague while being so prolific that there is always some bullshit he said that can be applied to some situation. This guy is pretty on point (perhaps except for the part where the media gives a shit, can't control that).

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[–] Dashippy 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Nostradamus was a master of cold calling, for lack of a better way to put it. Some of what he said can be applied to multiple situations. I think I even read something of his that can be said to be predicting Gangnam Style.

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[–] voatforgoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It was still a pretty broad prediction - all he said was that offensive subreddits would eventually be banned, which is pretty logical, and the rest was really just a natural continuation of those subreddits being banned. Reddit is big, it's gonna attract the attention of the media (there were quite a few articles on voat etc at the start of the whole exodus actually) and obviously the admins will get themselves involved. It was a call out of the Digg exodus, adapted to reddit.

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[–] YoHomie 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

True that. I'll do better next time :-)

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[–] nakigold 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

prescient motherfucker is my guess

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[–] DudeDude 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Shouldn't the user name be a part of the screenshot?

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[–] ArchangelleShe 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Except it didn't kill it. That user didn't account for Too Big To FailTM.

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[–] iopq 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Reddit has a few more years, but people will start to get disinterested.

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[–] ArchangelleShe 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

People have been saying that about Facebook for many years.

Facebook has 1+ billion safe-space loving users. If reddit can tap into that market, they'll be around for a long while.

They already grew a ton after banning FPH.

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[–] Subtenko 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So the way of digg? people still use it, but barely on top of the chain like idk..twitter

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[–] Andar 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

People are already starting. I have a friend who is a casual reddit user, no account, just surfs the front page when he's bored. Completley without following any of the drama that's happening, he's already commenting to me how he's noticed the change in content, and how sterile the place has been. I'm trying to get him to move to voat

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[–] RustySpitoonBouncer 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I agree. Voat is not immune to this, it has the same structure and will follow in Reddit's footsteps in time.

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[–] rsa 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Permalink/archive.is link?

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[–] codyave 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

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[–] Mickgoestojail 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

The same will happen here if it gets big enough.

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[–] Caleb_Aurion 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Thank you for pointing that out. Most people I've seen have some serious rose colored glasses on about Voat.

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[–] idle_voating 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I looked for v/jailbait. It was disabled and voat isn't even past alpha yet.

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[–] SarMegahhikkitha 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

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[–] briamah 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The thing is reddit will be just fine actually. Not everyone takes reddit that seriously. Most people go to reddit for entertainment. Most people surf the net for entertainment. Play online games for entertainment, watch movies online. All done in the name of entertainment not truth and or freedom its just not that intense for them. Most people just don't care about the whole freedom of speech argument in forums as far as I can tell. In real life offline in their day to day maybe. If it personally stops them in their tracks maybe. But in a forum not so much. They want get on the net find some type of distraction or something that makes them feel good. Be it porn or puppies. The want freedom to surf and they don't want what they like blocked meaning not being able to reach content they want to see. They don't want to deal with noise from others. For reddit to really take a fall it would need to allow millions of spammers to dump random trash on the site people hate spam not selective censorship.

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[–] briamah 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Absolutely I agree. Most people do not care about what other consider important things. Not things that are important to other people. They are too busy shopping and saving and planning and raising (children) and worrying (about bills) and dreaming (about getting laid, a new car a new house, a new life) and hoping (that they pass the final, that they get the job).

Probably most people will not care about the violation of their rights until the become the victim of a violation themselves or someone close to them.

Think about all the movies human go to and love. Really horrible and traumatic stuff happens in them and people may be angry or frightened or sad until the leave the movie and go to an after hours coffee shop a dinner at their favorite place or grab a slice at the must have pizza shop. How many people leave a movie fiction or non fiction determined to change whatever it was they saw? Most movies are made AFTER someone has acted on something actually be their action good or bad. People being brave stepping outside of their comfort zone. Putting their own lives on hold to change the world is the stuff movies are made of for a reason... That reason is most people are too busy trying survive, live and prosper to care about the morals and causes of others.

That does not mean that people in general do nothing...

It means they act upon what they care about, that touches their lives.

Animal Rights activist want to protect animals Hunters want to hunt The religious right wants bibles in the school and creationism The atheist and civil libertarians want Christianity out of the public arena.

It is dependent on the individual what they choose to believe is important themselves freedom of choice.

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[–] Omnipresent 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Now all we have to hope for is that our current admins choose the community's interests over their own.

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