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[–] GayBlackWomanWitAIDS 0 points 47 points (+47|-0) ago 

The lesson from this is that voat users should be especially vigilant if we want to maintain a free and uncensored forum. Some alternatives to voat should always be in the works to keep Atko honest.

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[–] go1dfish [S] 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

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[–] guppy-warrior 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I honestly see Voat going down the same path, eventually. As Voat grows, it'll attract the same attention as Reddit did when it boomed. Now, I'm sure this website has every intention of being what it is now, but a lot can change when a nice paycheck is being waved in front of your face. Lets be honest, everyone dreams of making it. Do you really think anyone at Voat is going to be like "no no, I don't want that huge amount of money... I just want to keep Voat what it is..." That'd be great and all, I just don't see it happening.

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[–] GuenMakunikoru 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Yes but reddit and the digg have set a precedent. Hopefully the answer can change to "Nah not doing that, it's a recipe for failure". But that depends on who does the learning.. The best answer is still to just have competition.

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[–] Kovaelin 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I don't see any good reason for Voat to even bother putting in the effort to follow the same path. Voat already has a way for users to block subverses themselves, and there seems to be a plan to block/report users. Reddit's just behind the times and likes to hold onto as much power as they can. I shouldn't have to wait for someone else to solve my problems, and I definitely don't need someone else to "protect" me from things I normally wouldn't even see.

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[–] FPSFairy 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

All good things must come to an end, but others will be built to replace them when they inevitably end. Voat will go through the reddit/digg lifecycle as well, no doubt, but something else will pop up when voat sells out.

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[–] lofalexandria 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Passing up a large amount of money in favor or no or little money is difficult.

Passing up a large amount of money for a moderate/comfortable amount of money is less so.

We just need to help make sure that the site is generating enough income for those running the show that they can afford to stick to their ideals.

If Atko were eating ramen only for 5 years due to the costs of running this place and then was offered a large chunk of cash to sell out I would strongly encourage him to take it, ideals be damned at that point.

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[–] 1600018? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've seen perfectly good "legal advice" deleted from Reddit, and I was completely baffled by it until I started learning a bit about SJWs. If a legaladvice type subverse is moderated even by one lawyer SJW - of which I am sure there are plenty - you would end up with lots legit advice but still have filtered out, for example, anything amounting to zealous advocacy of a man's rights in a domestic dispute. This would result in significant harm under the radar.

The problem is, it only takes one. When you mix fair minded people with unfair minded the unfair minded are always going to win in a democracy through attrition. Hence, among other things, conservative professors rarely get tenure in this country anymore. Voat users aren't going to be able to preserve free speech any more than Reddit users regardless of vigilance.

I don't think anyone has figured out how to preserve free speech in the SJW era yet, but maybe Voat can.

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[–] FriedrichNietzsche ago 

The only true free speech platform would be decentralized.

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[–] JimBoNZ 3 points 30 points (+33|-3) ago 

Sad fact: The Internet does not survive on the media-savvy and more accepting (of other views) user. It exists for the upper-middle class Mommy who runs home from the Mac Store and plugs the Macbook into the Facebook Internet and starts clicking the pretty animated banners and buys throw pillows.

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[–] go1dfish [S] 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

The internet exists as a communications medium intended to survive through a nuclear holocaust.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/04/h-bomb-and-the-internet

The fact that corporations have built centralized infrastructures that pander to soccer moms is a secondary side affect and not something fundamental to the network itself.

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[–] JimBoNZ 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

Yep, that internet that routes around censorship and money, you just keep believing that. I'm sure the servers all run on the wonderful freedom that the "network itself" {snigger} is funded by

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[–] Rea11yN0tMe 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A statistic I found on the web:

  • 85% of all consumer purchases in the U.S. are made by women.
  • 93% of food purchases are made by women.
  • 75% of women identify themselves as the primary household shopper.

So of course there are big sites catering to women and maybe Reddit wants in on that and so tries to become a 'safe space'.

But I'm sure there are enough people like me to make a free speech site a viable business proposition. And really, if you keep intervention by the admins to a minimum, what's so expensive to run such a site? Five guys need to booze and eat, some servers and a lawyer on stand-by? (but I'm talking out of my ass here).

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[–] swingingballs 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

you know, im here this morning because all the mods of a sub i subscribe to got banned. Im fed up with reddit. i see all these dumb fucking SJW posts, and i get dumb fucking SJW replies to me comments. i cant wait til voat really hits its stride.

oh yea...and the sub i subscribe to that had its mods banned? r/WWIIplanes. a sub dedicated to *World War II era airplanes *somehow triggered someone at reddit enough for the mods to get banned. what a joke.

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[–] WhyFluttershy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

They banned a plane subreddit......?

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[–] dontnation 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The subreddit wasn't banned, just several of the mods. My guess is that they also modded one or many of the banned or quarantined subs. Which means their mods hated fat people, or black people, or white people, or people that draw portraits, or liked loli.

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[–] go1dfish [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Holy shit, I thought that must have been some misunderstanding but all three mods are indeed shadowbanned. WTF?

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[–] Rea11yN0tMe 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I hope they come over to Voat when registrations open up again. v/MilitaryPorn v/MilitaryAviation v/MilitaryGifs v/MilitaryPix v/aviationgifs … could do with more submissions.

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[–] Kleyno 1 point 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

Unfortunately, this is what happens when money rules the roost. Reddit needs money to stay in operation, and the board want excess money to get a return on investments. Reddit has a lot of page views, and so the easiest way to make money from that is to try and convince other companies that they can sell shit to the Users generating the page views.

But no company wants to have their product associated with racism or sexism, and so the SJWs have the perfect weapon to help them dictate policy on the platform.

Game over, time to go elsewhere for your so-called freedoms, at least until that new place becomes shit as well, and the cycle inevitably repeats.

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[–] Dresser 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yea its getting worse everyday the only reason I go over there anymore is because /r/leafueoflegends is more active than /v/leagueoflegends

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[–] go1dfish [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

/r/leagueoflegends is one of the most active non-default subreddits there are:

http://redditlist.com

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[–] Kleyno 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The SJWs love getting offended and riled up. They are more than content to organise harassment campaigns against sponsors to convince them to take their business elsewhere.

Case in point, the recent template they were using to bombard Reddit's sponsors with a list of racially offensive subreddits.

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[–] go1dfish [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The problem is centralization of power. If the woefully inflated subscriber numbers are any indication then you have the reddit admin team dictating the content experience of 9 million people.

The fact that the hosting costs are centralized creates a moral hazard where the administrators have every incentive to manipulate content.

If you want a viable alternative you have to take them out of the equation entirely:

http://go1dfish.me/blog/my-two-cents-there-aint-no-such-thing-as-free-speech

http://go1dfish.me/blog/crypto-anarchy-social-aggregator-bitcoin-world-wide-ledger

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[–] Detry 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Spez in his announcement as new CEO, in one of the comments stated that Reddit has lots of cash, that monetization was not a priority.

There is definitely something else at play here, when they ban subs they announced that they would only "quarantine" and leave the hate filled, harassment happy /r/SRS alone.

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[–] AKnightAlone 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

I lament the fact that I'll soon see Reddit like some sort of 9GAG forum for the consumers of pop. I'm sure my parents will be on there, they'll add some extensions and games you can play in side menus. They'll add subscriptions and benefits and customization of profiles. You'll be able to buy a little graphics and symbols and stick them on your profile so people can see them while they snoop. The thoughts are horrifying.

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[–] Angelore 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Well, it's not really surprising. It all only went downhill after Aaron left us.

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[–] go1dfish [S] 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

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[–] polkadotgirl 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

And I'm not trying to be a huge conspiracy theorist (ugh) but does anybody think it's strange he committed suicid?

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[–] voatforgoat 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

What reddit admins seem incapable of realising is that their users, or at least some of them, are free-thinking individuals in their own right, and will move on to voat or at least away from reddit if the admins continue to turn reddit into something it was never meant to be - a corporate advertising platform, rather than a forum for open discussion. It will cause them to lose users rather than gain them, in the long run at least, when they start banning anything that might possibly make the advertisers look bad. The next thing to go will be any articles that makes Corporate America or the advertisers look bad, and maybe that's when the majority of reddit's userbase will wake up to the fact that reddit is no longer what it was created to be.

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[–] Rea11yN0tMe 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm always a little baffled by the abandon with which the Reddit admins ride roughshod with their userbase. (rampant shadowbanning, banning behaviour and not ideas but doing the opposite, giving SRS a free pass and so on).

But I think I hit on the solution. They simply think they are too big to fail! Ok we pull some shit and loose a few, but there will always be enough suckers left that will just eat it up.

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[–] the-code-always-wins ago  (edited ago)

What reddit admins seem incapable of realising is that their users, or at least some of them, are free-thinking individuals in their own right,

Based on spez's answers, this is his goal. His posts suggest that his main concern is that the users from undesirable subs will start going into other subreddits and spreading their ideas.

IE A racist will join the site for /r/coontown, then start posting in other subs and drive people off with racism.

Basically, he doesn't trust the core system of Reddit(users generate and vote on content) to keep off certain undesirable elements.

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[–] SirRender ago  (edited ago)

I never visited any of the banned subreddits...but it pissed me off enough that I overwrote two years worth of content and deleted my reddit account this morning. Fuck Reddit.

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[–] kuma75 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I was only on reddit for 5 years, but I agree wholeheartedly. I deleted my account yesterday, after first deleting all of the content I contributed. Fuck censorship.

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[–] Ricwulf 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It should also be mentioned that the post is hidden. When filtering through top posts (instead of the Q&A style which it is defaulted to), it starts with posts that are around 3300 upvote mark. Warlizard had 4600 upvotes, he should be up there at number 1. He's been hidden (but not deleted).

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