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[–] 893157? 0 points 52 points (+52|-0) ago 

I think it's sad that they would delete Ayn Rand-related posts because she's an author. Through fiction she portrayed her ideas more clearly than a lot of philosophers have in non-fiction writing. And there really isn't any arguing that she was a representative figure of objectivism. Even if she did not present her philosophies in the same ways as typical philosophers, she still presented ideas, ideologies and ways of viewing life. One does not have to be a true philosopher to have a philosophy. Why should a sub based on philosophy ban a certain philosophy, regardless of who presents it?

Seems like they're banning her (admittedly controversial) ideas, and not her as a "non-philosopher"

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[–] Arnex 0 points 39 points (+39|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I could not disagree more with the tenants of ethical egoism or objectivism, but to say Ayn Rand is not a philosopher is absurd. This is ad hominem pure and simple, and mods of r/philosophy should know better.

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[–] RabidRaccoon 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I dislike Rand too. Still I dislike progressives who want to ban anything they disagree with on the grounds that 'stuff I dislike is objectively false and stuff I like is objectively true and people need to be prevented from seeing the objectively false stuff' even more.

And, sadly it's a recurring theme with the progressives - talk to them on any issue and they believe their side is right and good and the other side is wrong, evil and should be silenced.

The stereotype of the religious right is that they believe that - as a Medieval Pope put it - 'Error has no rights'. I.e. they know the objective truth and disagreement with that is heresy which must be suppressed. Still I've never actually met anyone on the religious right who believes that now. Probably it's because in the tech environment the religious right is a powerless minority. The majority are clearly on the left and they really do believe if you have the wrong opinion on pretty much any issue you should be silenced, doxxed, fired, etc.

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[–] lordslag 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You wrote what I was going to write better than I was going to write it. Stop that. XD

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[–] aboutime 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

of course they are!!! she hs written a few books of straight philosophy, objectivism. reddit sucks , it will wither and die

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[–] 893680? 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Oh, that's right! I never read any of her non-fiction but a friend of mine has.

Sad to see this kind of censorship at all. Basic sub rules are one thing, but once you start banning things that are directly related to the subject your sub deals with and you tell people that you're banning those ideas because they aren't related... Yeah, leddit wither.

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[–] milos 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It will wither and die in many ways but not in terms of demise. I see the opposite. By forcefully pushing away dissenters as reddit monetizes its brand they will continue to win small battles. PR spin will handle outcries. Revenue is #1. Valuable content is allowed but is filtered and scrutinized with plenty of fluff and ads inbetween.

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[–] Waage 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I take it Kierkegaard the Danish philosopher and the father of existentialism is also going to be banned for being and Author who wrote a bunch of short stories and works under different names.

A lot of philosophers write stories to illustrate there point.

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No doubt Sartre is right out as well. Damn fiction author.

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[–] EggsnBakey 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I wonder what their position on Sophie's Choice World is.

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[–] 896075? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've read Sophie's World (the two are apparently unrelated) but haven't even heard of Sophie's Choice until now. I'll have to give it a read sometime.

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[–] WatDabney 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

Setting aside the fact that I think that Ayn Rand was crippled by her ego and her narrow Russian heritage and her philosophy suffered as a result, r/philosophy is pretty much a waste of bandwidth, fit only for circlejerks between hapless academics who consider themselves philosophers because they've memorized lots of things that other people thought. They're not interested in actually exploring and testing ideas - they're just interested in assembling rationalizations for whatever bits of dogma they're invested in.

Combine that with the fact that some of the least honest posters I've encountered there were mods (including but by no means limited to ReallyNicole) and this is hardly surprising.

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Really, what type of person wants to mod a philosophy forum? Usually someone that fits the stereotype.

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[–] WatDabney 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I hadn't thought about it like that, but that's undoubtedly the case. It's at least certainly the case with drunkentune, and probably ReallyNicole. The other notable one I've dealt with was irontide, who threatened to ban me after the very first sentence in the very first response s/he made to me was a blatant straw man and I pointed that out.

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[–] RaptorSixFour 5 points 14 points (+19|-5) ago 

Well, most on the internet are liberals, so when they choose to mod based on their pet ideologies, this is what will inevitably happen.

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[–] Porcupine_Ninja 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Since nobody seems to understand your question...

Yes, in America "liberal" refers to someone who is leftist, and typically also more authoritarian on the political spectrum. Typically someone who wants to use the government to prevent "harmful" ideologies or freedoms.

And yes, some of us do realize that it is the exact opposite of what liberal means.

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[–] diggy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Over here most ideologies that are generally considered "left" have their names used interchangeably and many people (mainly politicians(I don't' think the average american does this on purpose)) will switch which one's argument to present based on the situation to achieve their desired outcome. It's not uncommon for me to see someone claim to be a progressive, democrat, liberal, socialist all at once. So when an american says we disagree with one of these group's ideas or the group as a whole, we might actually in fact agree with what that ideology actually believes, but we may be saying that because we no longer have any more than a faint idea what that ideology is actually supposed to believe in; these labels no longer have clear meaning to many of us and I'm not entirely sure they ever did.

(Apologies for formatting. Been up studying programming all day so lines of text are starting to blur together)

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[–] sneakybells 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He's not saying they do this because they're liberals, only that this happens when you have any large group especially on the internet, where people are mostly young and liberal. You're confusing correlation for causation here.

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Learn the two types of liberal - the classical liberal and the social liberal. One of these can be used for authoritarian ends.

Edit: grammar

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[–] l23r 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Liberals seem to like George Orwell... Yeah; I know the Republicans then weren't the same as now :p

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was thinking they liked Huxley's nightmare, while conservatives liked Orwell's.

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[–] Thehealbus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Are you really saying that liberals are the only internet group that mod based on their beliefs?

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

where would you get that from?

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah, but that comes from the fact that there are two types of liberalism and the classic liberal usually self-identifies as a libertarian. The layman will say liberal to mean social liberal.

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[–] subiesNstogies 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Wow...that was a realllllly bitchy response there at the end. It didn't work out well for Stanley in The Office.

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[–] One_Wing_Angel 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

A shameless thing to say. Coming from a philosophy mod, well....res ipsa loquitur, no?

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[–] yell0mell0 [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Continuation of mod responses

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[–] dsifriend 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I'd hate to have them for a professor! Geez....

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

drunkentune is that professor in college that gives everyone an A that can parrot the same talking points they espouse and makes life hell for any dissenters.

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[–] subiesNstogies 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

His head is stuck so far up his own ass, he's eating his own shit. That's classic. I'm using male pronouns for simplicity. Don't want to offend anyone.

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

drunkentune is that professor in college that gives everyone an A that can parrot the same talking points they espouse and makes life hell for any dissenters.

edit: replied to wrong user.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Wow, the mods of r/philosophy are really huge dicks. I can even see where the OP was going with democracy, as a democracy is used to determine the course of action to take while governing and that can be seen as a claim. Like when candidate that like philosophy A are elected under the premise that philosophy A is the best way to govern.

The modding on that subreddit just increases my disdain for philosophers.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] RainieRola 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Aren't most philosophers authors? There are entire sections of libraries and bookstores dedicated to philosophy, after all. She just happened to write both nonfiction and fiction. One would think (based on how many philosophers of past and present are published) it was a requirement to be a philosopher to be published somewhere.....

You know who else wrote novels that feminists and liberals like..... Simone de Beauvoir.

Edited: added "and liberals" which has been true in from my observation.

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[–] RaptorSixFour 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

oh, mod drunk off power were a problem way before Pao.

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